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What determines the highest level of maneuvers you can take?
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<blockquote data-quote="RUMBLETiGER" data-source="post: 5953509" data-attributes="member: 6674868"><p>Initiator level is unique in that a single level dip is more useful to you the higher your level.</p><p></p><p>If you took a single level dip in, say, Wizard, you'd only have access to level 1 spells. It wouldn't matter if you took the dip at level 3, level 7 or level 17, the abilities gained would be the same.</p><p></p><p>If you took a single level dip in, say, Crusader, you'd have access to Maneuvers as if you were a martial adept of 1/2 all your non-martial adept classes combined, plus a full level for any martial adept classes you have.</p><p></p><p>Therefore, If you were a Fighter 8 and then took Crusader as your 9th level, you'd have access to maneuvers as if you were a 5th level Crusader (1/2 of 8 is 4, plus 1 level Crusader = 5). You still have the same number of maneuvers and stances that a Crusader gets at that first level, but you have access to up to 3rd level maneuvers. Great way to get Thicket of Blades. </p><p></p><p>If you were a Rogue 16 and took a single level dip into Swordsage at level 17, you'd have access to Swordsage maneuvers as if you were a Swordsage level 9, which means up to level 5 maneuvers. You still know only 6 maneuvers, can ready only 4, and can have only one stance (like the first level of swordsage) but you could make all 6 of those maneuvers known Shadow Hand maneuvers such as Shadow Stride, Shadow Jaunt, Shadow Garrotte, Hand of Death, Cloak of Deception, Bloodletting Strike and take Step of the Dancing Moth as your stance. For a single level dip, you've gained two teleport abilities, a CON drain attack, a ranged paralyze attack, a 1 round Greater Invisibility and the ability to hover 5' off the ground. </p><p></p><p>Yes, it's crazy, but that's how it is. Gets more fun when you multiclass 2 different martial adept classes together.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That line is under "Selecting Martial Maneuvers" and after the explanatory text regarding Initiator level and multiclassing. I've always understood the line "Your level in Martial Adept class" to refer to Initiator level, and after the brief aside they took in talking about multiclass characters, they're now back to assuming most people are thinking single classed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RUMBLETiGER, post: 5953509, member: 6674868"] Initiator level is unique in that a single level dip is more useful to you the higher your level. If you took a single level dip in, say, Wizard, you'd only have access to level 1 spells. It wouldn't matter if you took the dip at level 3, level 7 or level 17, the abilities gained would be the same. If you took a single level dip in, say, Crusader, you'd have access to Maneuvers as if you were a martial adept of 1/2 all your non-martial adept classes combined, plus a full level for any martial adept classes you have. Therefore, If you were a Fighter 8 and then took Crusader as your 9th level, you'd have access to maneuvers as if you were a 5th level Crusader (1/2 of 8 is 4, plus 1 level Crusader = 5). You still have the same number of maneuvers and stances that a Crusader gets at that first level, but you have access to up to 3rd level maneuvers. Great way to get Thicket of Blades. If you were a Rogue 16 and took a single level dip into Swordsage at level 17, you'd have access to Swordsage maneuvers as if you were a Swordsage level 9, which means up to level 5 maneuvers. You still know only 6 maneuvers, can ready only 4, and can have only one stance (like the first level of swordsage) but you could make all 6 of those maneuvers known Shadow Hand maneuvers such as Shadow Stride, Shadow Jaunt, Shadow Garrotte, Hand of Death, Cloak of Deception, Bloodletting Strike and take Step of the Dancing Moth as your stance. For a single level dip, you've gained two teleport abilities, a CON drain attack, a ranged paralyze attack, a 1 round Greater Invisibility and the ability to hover 5' off the ground. Yes, it's crazy, but that's how it is. Gets more fun when you multiclass 2 different martial adept classes together. That line is under "Selecting Martial Maneuvers" and after the explanatory text regarding Initiator level and multiclassing. I've always understood the line "Your level in Martial Adept class" to refer to Initiator level, and after the brief aside they took in talking about multiclass characters, they're now back to assuming most people are thinking single classed. [/QUOTE]
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