Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is LIVE! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What Did You Want Fourth Edition to be Like?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 4689165" data-attributes="member: 114"><p>I was hoping that 4e would be very much like Saga, but with additional refinement.</p><p></p><p>In particular, I was really, really hoping that we would see classes with class talent trees as a means of configuring base classes to make them quite different (depending upon what you want to be).</p><p></p><p>The only thing I really dislike about 4e is the class powers - the way that everyone has become a "caster", that there are powers that don't seem to make sense and you just have to accept them, the fact that most members of a class end up looking very similar because there are only so many 'good' powers to choose, and most of all because of the intricately fiddly nature of things that they bring to combat.</p><p></p><p>I was tired and annoyed by the multiple overlapping bonuses in 3e, but I'm even more tired and annoyed by the multiple overlapping conditions in 4e. OK, the fighter has marked these 3 guys with his close burst attack, that one was marked by the paladin but his mark is overridden - oh, OK the fighter doesn't mark him. This guy is weakened, save ends; those two guys have ongoing 5 fire and this guy also has ongoing 5 acid. The warlock is invisible to this guy until the beginning of the warlocks next turn, but has concealment from everyone until the end of his next turn... and so on.</p><p></p><p>I wanted simpler combat - options at the point of attack, sure; but not the tracking of minutae which prevail across so much of 4e.</p><p></p><p>There are quite a few things in 4e I do like, it is just a shame that the two things I really don't like are, uh, rather central to it!</p><p></p><p>So I'm sorry that more wasn't taken from the goodness which is SWSE.</p><p></p><p>Cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 4689165, member: 114"] I was hoping that 4e would be very much like Saga, but with additional refinement. In particular, I was really, really hoping that we would see classes with class talent trees as a means of configuring base classes to make them quite different (depending upon what you want to be). The only thing I really dislike about 4e is the class powers - the way that everyone has become a "caster", that there are powers that don't seem to make sense and you just have to accept them, the fact that most members of a class end up looking very similar because there are only so many 'good' powers to choose, and most of all because of the intricately fiddly nature of things that they bring to combat. I was tired and annoyed by the multiple overlapping bonuses in 3e, but I'm even more tired and annoyed by the multiple overlapping conditions in 4e. OK, the fighter has marked these 3 guys with his close burst attack, that one was marked by the paladin but his mark is overridden - oh, OK the fighter doesn't mark him. This guy is weakened, save ends; those two guys have ongoing 5 fire and this guy also has ongoing 5 acid. The warlock is invisible to this guy until the beginning of the warlocks next turn, but has concealment from everyone until the end of his next turn... and so on. I wanted simpler combat - options at the point of attack, sure; but not the tracking of minutae which prevail across so much of 4e. There are quite a few things in 4e I do like, it is just a shame that the two things I really don't like are, uh, rather central to it! So I'm sorry that more wasn't taken from the goodness which is SWSE. Cheers [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What Did You Want Fourth Edition to be Like?
Top