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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7515152" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>In the abstract, sure.</p><p></p><p>But here is [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION]'s argument: X is true because I believe X, I'm an English teacher, and therefore I would know.</p><p></p><p>And here is your argument: X is true because I read it in a book, and the book is right because the people who wrote it would know.</p><p></p><p>Those arguments are both appeals to authority.</p><p></p><p>Maxperson, <em>every argument I have ever seen you run</em> is logically invalid. (I have never seen you make an argument in mathematics or logic.) Practally every argument every human being has ever made in the history of humanity is logically invalid. The argument that <em>If you jump off the roof of a bulding, you will fall</em> is logically invalid. That doesn't make it a bad argument; it just means that it is defeasible by contrary emprical evidence.</p><p></p><p>That an argument is not logically valid doesn't make it a bad one. That my best reason to believe X is that someone who knows about X told me so doesn't mean my belief rests on a fallacy. Authoritative testimony is the <em>overwhelming</em> source of all my knowledge, just as it is the overwhelming source of your knowledge. How do you even know that the owner of this website is Morrus? Simply because he told you so!</p><p></p><p>Ad hominem attacks are not universally fallacious either (on this point, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem" target="_blank">Wikipedia is just wrong</a>).</p><p></p><p>A simple example is the following: I don't believe much that I hear about North Korea from the North Korean news agencies <em>because I don't trust them</em>. I think that, so far from being fallacious, my policy of distrust of the North Korean news agencies is likely to further rather than undermine the truth of my beliefs.</p><p></p><p>Only a very credulous person would not regard the reliability, credibility etc of someone as relevant to whether or not one believes their testimony.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7515152, member: 42582"] In the abstract, sure. But here is [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION]'s argument: X is true because I believe X, I'm an English teacher, and therefore I would know. And here is your argument: X is true because I read it in a book, and the book is right because the people who wrote it would know. Those arguments are both appeals to authority. Maxperson, [I]every argument I have ever seen you run[/I] is logically invalid. (I have never seen you make an argument in mathematics or logic.) Practally every argument every human being has ever made in the history of humanity is logically invalid. The argument that [I]If you jump off the roof of a bulding, you will fall[/I] is logically invalid. That doesn't make it a bad argument; it just means that it is defeasible by contrary emprical evidence. That an argument is not logically valid doesn't make it a bad one. That my best reason to believe X is that someone who knows about X told me so doesn't mean my belief rests on a fallacy. Authoritative testimony is the [I]overwhelming[/I] source of all my knowledge, just as it is the overwhelming source of your knowledge. How do you even know that the owner of this website is Morrus? Simply because he told you so! Ad hominem attacks are not universally fallacious either (on this point, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem]Wikipedia is just wrong[/url]). A simple example is the following: I don't believe much that I hear about North Korea from the North Korean news agencies [I]because I don't trust them[/I]. I think that, so far from being fallacious, my policy of distrust of the North Korean news agencies is likely to further rather than undermine the truth of my beliefs. Only a very credulous person would not regard the reliability, credibility etc of someone as relevant to whether or not one believes their testimony. [/QUOTE]
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