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<blockquote data-quote="isoChron" data-source="post: 914606" data-attributes="member: 5927"><p>Well my experience is that a cleric is a better fighter than the Fighter himself. What good for are several feats if you can use them only in very specific situations ? See Whirlwind Attack. Cleave is only good against low HP critters but then a fireball would do better. Power Attack ... nice but most time my fighter can only use it in a charge at around 2. Most heavy monsters have a too high AC to use Power Attack. No gain if you hit once instead of 3 times a round.</p><p></p><p>Things like Weapon Focus (Attack +1 on one weapon type) along with Weapon Specialization (Damage +2 on one weapon type) are easily topped by the cleric (level6) casting GMW on his weapon (+2 to hit and damage on every weapon he wants).</p><p></p><p>Now you can say that a fighter (level 15) always dominates the cleric (level 15) as long as there is no magic involved ... but part of the cleric class IS magic. He wouldn't be CR 15 if he couldn't cast spells.</p><p>Oh, the AC ..... poor fighter ! No Greater Magic Vestment.</p><p>Oh, Stats ... no buff spells ... not even the possibility to raise a stat with a feat. (At epic levels this willl change...)</p><p></p><p>We did a one on one fight for training, our Tempus Cleric and my Fighter ... same level. He melted my 130 HP away like snow in the sun and I hit him 2 times for 30 damage.... Something must be wrong ... fighting frustrates me. </p><p>I wade into melee (after some rounds I can reach a significant foe) and for all damage I inflict I get hit at nearly equal amount.</p><p>The cleric cast flamestrikes, bladebarrier, bla bla, and if the melee finally comes to him he won't get hit because of his high AC.</p><p></p><p>Last session our cleric 15 didn't fear to fight a band of 3 Fire Giants, several ogres, multiple goblins (the cannon fodder stuff), and a troll with more than 220 HP and spellcasting ability ... alone.</p><p>He killed them all without getting a scratch ! What good for is a fighter ??????? Never take it <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> </p><p></p><p>Oh well, I'm lamenting again. Forget it. Most time I have still very much fun in that group. Perhaps the world get's even a bit better with 3.5. Have a nice weekend. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /> </p><p>BYE</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="isoChron, post: 914606, member: 5927"] Well my experience is that a cleric is a better fighter than the Fighter himself. What good for are several feats if you can use them only in very specific situations ? See Whirlwind Attack. Cleave is only good against low HP critters but then a fireball would do better. Power Attack ... nice but most time my fighter can only use it in a charge at around 2. Most heavy monsters have a too high AC to use Power Attack. No gain if you hit once instead of 3 times a round. Things like Weapon Focus (Attack +1 on one weapon type) along with Weapon Specialization (Damage +2 on one weapon type) are easily topped by the cleric (level6) casting GMW on his weapon (+2 to hit and damage on every weapon he wants). Now you can say that a fighter (level 15) always dominates the cleric (level 15) as long as there is no magic involved ... but part of the cleric class IS magic. He wouldn't be CR 15 if he couldn't cast spells. Oh, the AC ..... poor fighter ! No Greater Magic Vestment. Oh, Stats ... no buff spells ... not even the possibility to raise a stat with a feat. (At epic levels this willl change...) We did a one on one fight for training, our Tempus Cleric and my Fighter ... same level. He melted my 130 HP away like snow in the sun and I hit him 2 times for 30 damage.... Something must be wrong ... fighting frustrates me. I wade into melee (after some rounds I can reach a significant foe) and for all damage I inflict I get hit at nearly equal amount. The cleric cast flamestrikes, bladebarrier, bla bla, and if the melee finally comes to him he won't get hit because of his high AC. Last session our cleric 15 didn't fear to fight a band of 3 Fire Giants, several ogres, multiple goblins (the cannon fodder stuff), and a troll with more than 220 HP and spellcasting ability ... alone. He killed them all without getting a scratch ! What good for is a fighter ??????? Never take it :( Oh well, I'm lamenting again. Forget it. Most time I have still very much fun in that group. Perhaps the world get's even a bit better with 3.5. Have a nice weekend. :cool: BYE [/QUOTE]
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