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<blockquote data-quote="isoChron" data-source="post: 914687" data-attributes="member: 5927"><p>Hi yennico.</p><p></p><p>Hm, ok of course can the cleric cast the same spells on the fighter but he doesn't have enough slots for that. </p><p>In 2nd level he has 7 spellslots (+domain): 2 bull strength (both for cleric so that they last all day) 2 endurance (both for cleric) 1 endurance (from domain for the wiz) 1 zone of truth, 1 silence, 1 hold person or delay poison.</p><p>in 3rd level he has 5 spellslots (+domain): 4 Magic Vestments (all for cleric), 1 daylight and I don't know about the domain spell</p><p>in 4th level he has 5 spellslots (+domain): 2 GMW (both for cleric), 1 or 2 restoration, spell immunity (as domain I think), 1 Sending, 1 other spell (splatbook ?)</p><p></p><p>So no more spell slots for others. Why should he cancel casting spells on himself if he could get nearly invincible. </p><p></p><p>Oh, the Dispel Magic trick ... didn't work well, the few times a caster dispelled something he did it on the Wizard (more obvious). </p><p></p><p>Hmm, ok, sneak attack may suck, too. But as long as you flank you get it. Undead, oozes and constructs aside. Only undead appear sometimes (then a turn undead is like a miracle)<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> .</p><p></p><p>And yes ! You can use fireballs in small closed rooms as long as the cleric and the wizard are alone in there ... Both are immune 24/7 against fire and acid. Protected against Electricity, Sonic and Cold ...</p><p></p><p>The duell wouln't be fair if the cleric has to forgo some of his class abilities (spells). The fighter can use all of his feats as well ! He wouldn't be the same CR if he didn't use his spells. He didn't use offensive spells, so that is already a relinquishment. If he would use his flame strikes he would boil the fighter in his full plate before he could close up ! Reflex save ... muhahahaaaa .</p><p></p><p>But whatever, I think it will become much better in 3.5. And we use a total different spell system in another group. No problem there. </p><p></p><p>BYE</p><p></p><p>PS: Puh, it's hot in here ! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /> Got to switch of my computer <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="isoChron, post: 914687, member: 5927"] Hi yennico. Hm, ok of course can the cleric cast the same spells on the fighter but he doesn't have enough slots for that. In 2nd level he has 7 spellslots (+domain): 2 bull strength (both for cleric so that they last all day) 2 endurance (both for cleric) 1 endurance (from domain for the wiz) 1 zone of truth, 1 silence, 1 hold person or delay poison. in 3rd level he has 5 spellslots (+domain): 4 Magic Vestments (all for cleric), 1 daylight and I don't know about the domain spell in 4th level he has 5 spellslots (+domain): 2 GMW (both for cleric), 1 or 2 restoration, spell immunity (as domain I think), 1 Sending, 1 other spell (splatbook ?) So no more spell slots for others. Why should he cancel casting spells on himself if he could get nearly invincible. Oh, the Dispel Magic trick ... didn't work well, the few times a caster dispelled something he did it on the Wizard (more obvious). Hmm, ok, sneak attack may suck, too. But as long as you flank you get it. Undead, oozes and constructs aside. Only undead appear sometimes (then a turn undead is like a miracle):D . And yes ! You can use fireballs in small closed rooms as long as the cleric and the wizard are alone in there ... Both are immune 24/7 against fire and acid. Protected against Electricity, Sonic and Cold ... The duell wouln't be fair if the cleric has to forgo some of his class abilities (spells). The fighter can use all of his feats as well ! He wouldn't be the same CR if he didn't use his spells. He didn't use offensive spells, so that is already a relinquishment. If he would use his flame strikes he would boil the fighter in his full plate before he could close up ! Reflex save ... muhahahaaaa . But whatever, I think it will become much better in 3.5. And we use a total different spell system in another group. No problem there. BYE PS: Puh, it's hot in here ! :cool: Got to switch of my computer ;) [/QUOTE]
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