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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6999541" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>There is a murder's row of nasty action stealers. In particular, RAW, Web and Entangle provoke ability checks that are far too high to be reasonable, and are win buttons just way too often. But, on the other hand, Web and Entangle also allow a save to negate, which Black Tentacles does not. Web can be countered by fire, turning into an area of effect spell that just does 2d4 damage. Black tentacles can't be easily countered except by a dispel, and that's risky if you are in it (concentration check and caster level check have to be made). And Entangle, though perhaps the second most broken (though not breakable) spell in the game (next to Wraithstrike), is mercifully situational. Black Tentacles is just not.</p><p></p><p>Stinking Cloud requires you to isolate part of the enemy on this side of it. Otherwise, it's better as evasion than battlefield control - separating you from the enemy so you can get the heck out of dodge. But yes, as a DM, also one of my favorite anti-PC spells. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The gold standards of 'save or die' spells, but they have the trifecta of weakness - mind-effecting, save to negate, spell-resistance. Yes, they are a potential win button, but they are hard to push through.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One for one though. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You have to get on the front line to employ it, and its utility while immense at low level, quickly goes away. Glitterdust is more to the point if you are looking for low level cheese.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. Good spells. But again, trifecta of weakness - mind-effecting, save negates, spell resistance - and add on to that that the sleep versions like Color Spray have good utility at low level and then just go way. That's not true of entangle, web, and black tentacles.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Read the description again. It says nothing about there being an attack: "Every creature within the area of the spell must make a grapple check, opposed by the grapple check of the tentacles." </p><p></p><p>Don't read too much between the lines. It's confusing you.</p><p></p><p>But yes, my point is that good spell-casters in 3e mostly seek to dominate the action economy. Monsters tend to have too many hit points and too many defenses to easily burn down, but if you can steal a round or two on them, you can put most down without too much trouble. Black Tentacles is one of the best for doing that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6999541, member: 4937"] There is a murder's row of nasty action stealers. In particular, RAW, Web and Entangle provoke ability checks that are far too high to be reasonable, and are win buttons just way too often. But, on the other hand, Web and Entangle also allow a save to negate, which Black Tentacles does not. Web can be countered by fire, turning into an area of effect spell that just does 2d4 damage. Black tentacles can't be easily countered except by a dispel, and that's risky if you are in it (concentration check and caster level check have to be made). And Entangle, though perhaps the second most broken (though not breakable) spell in the game (next to Wraithstrike), is mercifully situational. Black Tentacles is just not. Stinking Cloud requires you to isolate part of the enemy on this side of it. Otherwise, it's better as evasion than battlefield control - separating you from the enemy so you can get the heck out of dodge. But yes, as a DM, also one of my favorite anti-PC spells. The gold standards of 'save or die' spells, but they have the trifecta of weakness - mind-effecting, save to negate, spell-resistance. Yes, they are a potential win button, but they are hard to push through. One for one though. You have to get on the front line to employ it, and its utility while immense at low level, quickly goes away. Glitterdust is more to the point if you are looking for low level cheese. Sure. Good spells. But again, trifecta of weakness - mind-effecting, save negates, spell resistance - and add on to that that the sleep versions like Color Spray have good utility at low level and then just go way. That's not true of entangle, web, and black tentacles. Read the description again. It says nothing about there being an attack: "Every creature within the area of the spell must make a grapple check, opposed by the grapple check of the tentacles." Don't read too much between the lines. It's confusing you. But yes, my point is that good spell-casters in 3e mostly seek to dominate the action economy. Monsters tend to have too many hit points and too many defenses to easily burn down, but if you can steal a round or two on them, you can put most down without too much trouble. Black Tentacles is one of the best for doing that. [/QUOTE]
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