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What is "grim and gritty" and "low magic" anyway?
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<blockquote data-quote="Orius" data-source="post: 1422257" data-attributes="member: 8863"><p>I generally agree. To put it bluntly, many times, it seems that people advocate low magic grim & gritty games to cover lazy DMing. They don't like magical healing because it makes it harder to threaten the party. They hate <em>raise dead<em> or worse, <em>resurrection</em> and often ban the spells from the game, because there's no fear of death. They hate divination magic because the players get clues too easily. They hate magic weapons because they boost attack and damage rolls. They hate hit points because fighters don't take a dagger in the back or a crossbow pinted at them seriously, and because that same fighter can "fall off a cliff and walk away". Then they play up the "realistic" aspects of medievialism, meaning the utter ignorance, rampant poverty, filth, disease, and prejudice of that horrid age. Not the type of setting I'd enjoy, given that I consider the Dark Ages (a term I find utterly appropriate) to be fairly close to hell on earth.</em></em></p><p><em><em></em></em></p><p><em><em>Maybe it seems like I'm being insulting, and maybe some people will accuse me of trolling. But the simple fact is that D&D is slanted somewhat towards <em>heroic</em> fantasy. Thus the hit points, and the existance of magic. It's part of the flavor of D&D. Certainly too much magic can wreck a campaign, I won't deny that. But I think all too often, DMs don't like to take magic into account and seem to prefer nerfing the party rather than preparing scenarios and building campaigns around it.</em></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Orius, post: 1422257, member: 8863"] I generally agree. To put it bluntly, many times, it seems that people advocate low magic grim & gritty games to cover lazy DMing. They don't like magical healing because it makes it harder to threaten the party. They hate [i]raise dead[i] or worse, [i]resurrection[/i] and often ban the spells from the game, because there's no fear of death. They hate divination magic because the players get clues too easily. They hate magic weapons because they boost attack and damage rolls. They hate hit points because fighters don't take a dagger in the back or a crossbow pinted at them seriously, and because that same fighter can "fall off a cliff and walk away". Then they play up the "realistic" aspects of medievialism, meaning the utter ignorance, rampant poverty, filth, disease, and prejudice of that horrid age. Not the type of setting I'd enjoy, given that I consider the Dark Ages (a term I find utterly appropriate) to be fairly close to hell on earth. Maybe it seems like I'm being insulting, and maybe some people will accuse me of trolling. But the simple fact is that D&D is slanted somewhat towards [i]heroic[/i] fantasy. Thus the hit points, and the existance of magic. It's part of the flavor of D&D. Certainly too much magic can wreck a campaign, I won't deny that. But I think all too often, DMs don't like to take magic into account and seem to prefer nerfing the party rather than preparing scenarios and building campaigns around it.[/i][/i] [/QUOTE]
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