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What is "grim and gritty" and "low magic" anyway?
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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1436557" data-attributes="member: 6398"><p>Alright, I'll go over it...</p><p> </p><p>I believe Star Trek II (ship wounded and outgunned) is an example of what you're talking about here. The main systems and armaments of the Enterprise are out of commision.</p><p> </p><p>However, Kirk didn't whine like a space cadet rookie because he lost most of his techno goodies. Rather, he chose another course of action: Head for the nebula and the Reliant will be just as nerfed as the Enterprise. "Suace for the goose," as Spock put it.</p><p> </p><p>And then there is Star Trek III, with the Enterprise running on automated systems on the bridge to permit 5 people to fly it on their own, and then the Klingon ship disabling those system. Did Kirk whine like a space cadet then? No, he chose another course of action: Lure the Klingon crew onto the Enterprise, beam down to Gensesis, blow up the Enterprise, and face the Klingon Captain in good ol' fashioned hand-to-hand.</p><p> </p><p>(Edit: Okay, yes, he whined like a cadet when he learned his son was dead, but that <em>should</em> be understandable and goes beyond the context of discussion.)</p><p> </p><p>Oh, and then there's Star Trek IV, with the crew trapped in 20th Century Earth (where they can't openly use their technology and have trouble understanding the concept of money).</p><p> </p><p>Of course, there's Star Trek VI, with the Captain and Bones imprisoned on a Klingon Mining Camp without any technology at their disposal to permit them easy escape solutions. And later, the Enterprise and Excelsior facing off the superior Klingon ship (superior by way of being able to fire while cloaked).</p><p> </p><p>Or perhaps Star Trek VII, where the two captains, with no weapons, must face the evil doctor on the planet's surface to prevent the planet from being destroyed by a cloaked, force-field protected weapon of mass destruction. Or the Klingon vs Enterprise battle in the same movie, where the Klingons gain the shield modulation frequency of the Enterprise shields and are able to penetrate them.</p><p> </p><p>Mayhap Star Trek VIII is a better example, with Picard trapped with a civilian from Earth's past within a section of the Enterprise that had been assimilated by the Borg, with barely the right weapons for the task and no means of calling for back up.</p><p> </p><p>Or let's try Star Trek X, with Diana fearing the telepathic power of the BBEG's mentor and seemingly powerless to defend against it, finding a way to turn that power back at him, thus allowing her and Worf to target an otherwise undetectable ship that had the Enterprise out gunned and out maneuvered.</p><p> </p><p>But none of this outclasses Star Trek I, where a few Ranks in Knowledge: History of Space Travel was far more useful to resolving the V'ger incident than any of the "new and improved" Enterprise technology.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry to say, but nerfing abilities and fiat seems par for "high level" Star Trek adventures as well, with determining a means of defeating the foe without techno goodies fully available being a <em>very</em> common theme.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1436557, member: 6398"] Alright, I'll go over it... I believe Star Trek II (ship wounded and outgunned) is an example of what you're talking about here. The main systems and armaments of the Enterprise are out of commision. However, Kirk didn't whine like a space cadet rookie because he lost most of his techno goodies. Rather, he chose another course of action: Head for the nebula and the Reliant will be just as nerfed as the Enterprise. "Suace for the goose," as Spock put it. And then there is Star Trek III, with the Enterprise running on automated systems on the bridge to permit 5 people to fly it on their own, and then the Klingon ship disabling those system. Did Kirk whine like a space cadet then? No, he chose another course of action: Lure the Klingon crew onto the Enterprise, beam down to Gensesis, blow up the Enterprise, and face the Klingon Captain in good ol' fashioned hand-to-hand. (Edit: Okay, yes, he whined like a cadet when he learned his son was dead, but that [i]should[/i] be understandable and goes beyond the context of discussion.) Oh, and then there's Star Trek IV, with the crew trapped in 20th Century Earth (where they can't openly use their technology and have trouble understanding the concept of money). Of course, there's Star Trek VI, with the Captain and Bones imprisoned on a Klingon Mining Camp without any technology at their disposal to permit them easy escape solutions. And later, the Enterprise and Excelsior facing off the superior Klingon ship (superior by way of being able to fire while cloaked). Or perhaps Star Trek VII, where the two captains, with no weapons, must face the evil doctor on the planet's surface to prevent the planet from being destroyed by a cloaked, force-field protected weapon of mass destruction. Or the Klingon vs Enterprise battle in the same movie, where the Klingons gain the shield modulation frequency of the Enterprise shields and are able to penetrate them. Mayhap Star Trek VIII is a better example, with Picard trapped with a civilian from Earth's past within a section of the Enterprise that had been assimilated by the Borg, with barely the right weapons for the task and no means of calling for back up. Or let's try Star Trek X, with Diana fearing the telepathic power of the BBEG's mentor and seemingly powerless to defend against it, finding a way to turn that power back at him, thus allowing her and Worf to target an otherwise undetectable ship that had the Enterprise out gunned and out maneuvered. But none of this outclasses Star Trek I, where a few Ranks in Knowledge: History of Space Travel was far more useful to resolving the V'ger incident than any of the "new and improved" Enterprise technology. Sorry to say, but nerfing abilities and fiat seems par for "high level" Star Trek adventures as well, with determining a means of defeating the foe without techno goodies fully available being a [i]very[/i] common theme. [/QUOTE]
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