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What is "grim and gritty" and "low magic" anyway?
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<blockquote data-quote="Altalazar" data-source="post: 1438067" data-attributes="member: 939"><p>My memory may be faulty and I certainly haven't consistently read this board on a regular basis, but I first recall discussions about high versus low magic relating to FR and to 3E in general. And the tone of those generally were very negative - attacking those who liked FR as "power gamers" and attacking it as "high magic" as if that were a swear word. (If it were, wouldn't Eric's Grandma be needing earmuffs by now?) This FR-bashing leaked over to 3E bashing as also "high magic" after it was apparently shown that FR really isn't that much more than the standard 3E level of magic. </p><p></p><p>Now there seems to be somewhat of a backlash against this initial "high" (and really medium) magic bashing (with an apparent implied notion that those who do "low" magic are better gamers) and so low magic gets bashed. </p><p></p><p>And now we come full circle.</p><p></p><p>C'mon. Obviously, there are VERY good gamers out there who play both low and high magic. There is nothing inherently wrong with either, there is nothing inherently good with either - the only thing that can be said for certain is that high magic has more magic than low magic. Everything else is just personal opinion and value judgments. </p><p></p><p>No need to hurl insults (like "cheesy") at a system. </p><p></p><p>I would be willing to bet that a good DM could make either high or low magic fun for good players, regardless of their opinions about low or high magic. </p><p></p><p>It seems this thread has been all about the "low magic versus high magic" and the grim and gritty part has been forgotten. (Perhaps a separate thread just on that would be appropriate - like how to do grim and gritty in the standard medium magic of the core rulebooks or to do it with high magic). In fact, here I go...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Altalazar, post: 1438067, member: 939"] My memory may be faulty and I certainly haven't consistently read this board on a regular basis, but I first recall discussions about high versus low magic relating to FR and to 3E in general. And the tone of those generally were very negative - attacking those who liked FR as "power gamers" and attacking it as "high magic" as if that were a swear word. (If it were, wouldn't Eric's Grandma be needing earmuffs by now?) This FR-bashing leaked over to 3E bashing as also "high magic" after it was apparently shown that FR really isn't that much more than the standard 3E level of magic. Now there seems to be somewhat of a backlash against this initial "high" (and really medium) magic bashing (with an apparent implied notion that those who do "low" magic are better gamers) and so low magic gets bashed. And now we come full circle. C'mon. Obviously, there are VERY good gamers out there who play both low and high magic. There is nothing inherently wrong with either, there is nothing inherently good with either - the only thing that can be said for certain is that high magic has more magic than low magic. Everything else is just personal opinion and value judgments. No need to hurl insults (like "cheesy") at a system. I would be willing to bet that a good DM could make either high or low magic fun for good players, regardless of their opinions about low or high magic. It seems this thread has been all about the "low magic versus high magic" and the grim and gritty part has been forgotten. (Perhaps a separate thread just on that would be appropriate - like how to do grim and gritty in the standard medium magic of the core rulebooks or to do it with high magic). In fact, here I go... [/QUOTE]
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