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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9123070" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>It does only apply there though, it seems, because you are hyperfocused on the fantasy genre and are completely blinding yourself to genre writers in general.</p><p></p><p>You've got a general thesis, which is disproven by truly countless authors - the majority of the genre novels on the bestseller lists - and you've two authors as your sole basis (I'm assuming you're not counting Lynch because that would be kind of wild given his mental health struggles). You seem to be suggesting only GRRM and Rothfuss have ever hit it big with a novel's success too which is just... so obviously not correct that it's hard to respond to without giggling. There have been genre authors in the best seller lists since forever. Jordan never slowed down until he died, for example.</p><p></p><p>Did the AMPTP write this? Or a landlord? (I kid but come on man read the room)</p><p></p><p>It's just not true!</p><p></p><p>Like demonstrably - loads of genre writers just keep writing, and loads of authors have had Rothfuss' level of success and it's not even slowed them down.</p><p></p><p>For example, this awful-sounding but possibly great fantasy novel had been at #1 NYT bestseller for 17 weeks by May, god knows how much further it went:</p><p></p><h3>Fourth Wing</h3><h3>REBECCA YARROS</h3><p>(<em>17 Weeks</em>) Violet Sorrengail is all set to live a quiet life among her books until her mother forces orders her to become a candidate for the highly competitive dragon riders. But dragons usually prefer to kill rather than bond with weak humans like Violet. With half the competition willing to kill her to improve their odds and the other half hating her because of her mother, Violet must use all her wits to survive the war college.</p><p></p><p>I know there are a bunch of highly questionable fantasy novels over the last 4-5 years which were NYT bestsellers but so forgettable I can't even remember their names or much about them beyond that one of them had so many kinds of elf in I started actually getting kind of angry at elves in general.</p><p></p><p>You've got two (2) datapoints in favour, hundreds, literally against, and you're forming your entire "Keep writers poor" thesis on those two (2) datapoints.</p><p></p><p>This is an internet-shenanigans argument frankly! I'm not mad, it's a Saturday afternoon after all, but I am laughing quite a lot. I mean believe what you want but you got two (2) datapoints!</p><p></p><p>By the same exact logic, we could say "Being a male fantasy writer with a big bushy beard makes you likely to just randomly give up on your series at a crucial moment". They both have that in common, but if we look at other fantasy genre writers who have been successful, almost none of them, male or female, have big bushy beards!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9123070, member: 18"] It does only apply there though, it seems, because you are hyperfocused on the fantasy genre and are completely blinding yourself to genre writers in general. You've got a general thesis, which is disproven by truly countless authors - the majority of the genre novels on the bestseller lists - and you've two authors as your sole basis (I'm assuming you're not counting Lynch because that would be kind of wild given his mental health struggles). You seem to be suggesting only GRRM and Rothfuss have ever hit it big with a novel's success too which is just... so obviously not correct that it's hard to respond to without giggling. There have been genre authors in the best seller lists since forever. Jordan never slowed down until he died, for example. Did the AMPTP write this? Or a landlord? (I kid but come on man read the room) It's just not true! Like demonstrably - loads of genre writers just keep writing, and loads of authors have had Rothfuss' level of success and it's not even slowed them down. For example, this awful-sounding but possibly great fantasy novel had been at #1 NYT bestseller for 17 weeks by May, god knows how much further it went: [HEADING=2]Fourth Wing[/HEADING] [HEADING=2]REBECCA YARROS[/HEADING] ([I]17 Weeks[/I]) Violet Sorrengail is all set to live a quiet life among her books until her mother forces orders her to become a candidate for the highly competitive dragon riders. But dragons usually prefer to kill rather than bond with weak humans like Violet. With half the competition willing to kill her to improve their odds and the other half hating her because of her mother, Violet must use all her wits to survive the war college. I know there are a bunch of highly questionable fantasy novels over the last 4-5 years which were NYT bestsellers but so forgettable I can't even remember their names or much about them beyond that one of them had so many kinds of elf in I started actually getting kind of angry at elves in general. You've got two (2) datapoints in favour, hundreds, literally against, and you're forming your entire "Keep writers poor" thesis on those two (2) datapoints. This is an internet-shenanigans argument frankly! I'm not mad, it's a Saturday afternoon after all, but I am laughing quite a lot. I mean believe what you want but you got two (2) datapoints! By the same exact logic, we could say "Being a male fantasy writer with a big bushy beard makes you likely to just randomly give up on your series at a crucial moment". They both have that in common, but if we look at other fantasy genre writers who have been successful, almost none of them, male or female, have big bushy beards! [/QUOTE]
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