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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7114285" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>I wouldn't go that far. </p><p></p><p>Fey gives you an area Charm or Frighten once per rest. But it only lasts a single round. You also get a Misty Step-ish once per rest, but it doesn't work unless you take damage(!). You get a better Charm at 10th level, but only when you yourself are targeted with a Charm. Dark Delirium might help you, but not the party. The main problem with the Charmed condition that it does nothing to prevent the monster from simply attacking another party member, so nothing here is big impact except out of combat.</p><p></p><p>Old One does grant you Create Thrall, but only at 14th level, only against humanoids, and only at one humanoid at a time. This is hardly "new pets in battle". Entropic Ward sounds fancy, but is essentially much like a superiority maneuver. The other abilities aren't worth mentioning. And once per rest sure ain't much.</p><p></p><p>Fiend is noticeably better. Against mooks, you are noticeably helped by getting temporary hp roughly equal to a whack (from a mook) as long as you manage to be the one downing them. Reistance to slashing (or whatever) is actually useful through many levels. Most importantly, these two abilities aren't restricted to just once per rest! But it gets better - both "once only" abilities are really good: a bard's Inspiration-like d10 is an excellent life-saver as well as an excellent "let me handle this important skill check" enabler. Hurl through hell is superior to the corresponding Fey ability, since it actually removes the BBEG completely for the full round - not just against you, but for everybody; not just some of its actions, but all of it; with no risk of accidentally cutting the duration short.</p><p></p><p>As a Warlock, you're still awfully fragile on the battlefield, so I'm not sure the role of gish suits you (don't mention the Bladelock), but you are basically right - the Fiend more than match any Tradition/School or Domain benefits.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7114285, member: 12731"] I wouldn't go that far. Fey gives you an area Charm or Frighten once per rest. But it only lasts a single round. You also get a Misty Step-ish once per rest, but it doesn't work unless you take damage(!). You get a better Charm at 10th level, but only when you yourself are targeted with a Charm. Dark Delirium might help you, but not the party. The main problem with the Charmed condition that it does nothing to prevent the monster from simply attacking another party member, so nothing here is big impact except out of combat. Old One does grant you Create Thrall, but only at 14th level, only against humanoids, and only at one humanoid at a time. This is hardly "new pets in battle". Entropic Ward sounds fancy, but is essentially much like a superiority maneuver. The other abilities aren't worth mentioning. And once per rest sure ain't much. Fiend is noticeably better. Against mooks, you are noticeably helped by getting temporary hp roughly equal to a whack (from a mook) as long as you manage to be the one downing them. Reistance to slashing (or whatever) is actually useful through many levels. Most importantly, these two abilities aren't restricted to just once per rest! But it gets better - both "once only" abilities are really good: a bard's Inspiration-like d10 is an excellent life-saver as well as an excellent "let me handle this important skill check" enabler. Hurl through hell is superior to the corresponding Fey ability, since it actually removes the BBEG completely for the full round - not just against you, but for everybody; not just some of its actions, but all of it; with no risk of accidentally cutting the duration short. As a Warlock, you're still awfully fragile on the battlefield, so I'm not sure the role of gish suits you (don't mention the Bladelock), but you are basically right - the Fiend more than match any Tradition/School or Domain benefits. [/QUOTE]
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