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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 9323597" data-attributes="member: 15538"><p>I placed periods between the sentences. There are clear grammatical demarcations between what I am saying and what you are saying. There are no rhetorical "shenanigans" here, just regular rhetoric. I am fully prepared to go point by point on any reasonable basis.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What I don't understand is having a conversation with someone who disagrees with you, and then not expecting them to disagree with you. We are looking at the same points, the same matter of discussion, and are at a point where we have different opinions, and have drawn different conclusions, about the same issue.</p><p></p><p>I am not engaged in "shenanigans." I 100% stand behind what I am saying. If you want me to say something different, you will need to persuade me to change my mind. </p><p></p><p>Maybe you take issue with the very idea I am prepared to utter every heresy imaginable about GNS, about PbtA games, and about how to structure a successful RPG session. I have no problem taking GNS apart into tiny little pieces. I have no problem stating that PbtA are far more conventional than often asserted, even retro in some respects. I have no lack of confidence placing my experience as a GM on the balance with anyone on these forums. I have had these same conversations dozens of times, with people very knowledgeable about their pet topics. I have been "shushed" by Ron Edwards for questioning concepts he considered to be long-settled. </p><p></p><p>I don't know what to tell you. I am prepared to debate at length, and I am confident that the longer we talk about these matters, the less resolved you will be about the things you are so certain of. However, you are under no obligation to continue. Nor am I under any obligation to silence myself. </p><p></p><p>However, I would really appreciate if if you refrained from claiming that I am coming from some place of sophistry or unsteady reasoning. You may take issue with every single thing I say, but once thing I have not done is come here and say that the things other people have argued, in good faith, are "shenanigans" or somehow not worthy of respectful discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 9323597, member: 15538"] I placed periods between the sentences. There are clear grammatical demarcations between what I am saying and what you are saying. There are no rhetorical "shenanigans" here, just regular rhetoric. I am fully prepared to go point by point on any reasonable basis. What I don't understand is having a conversation with someone who disagrees with you, and then not expecting them to disagree with you. We are looking at the same points, the same matter of discussion, and are at a point where we have different opinions, and have drawn different conclusions, about the same issue. I am not engaged in "shenanigans." I 100% stand behind what I am saying. If you want me to say something different, you will need to persuade me to change my mind. Maybe you take issue with the very idea I am prepared to utter every heresy imaginable about GNS, about PbtA games, and about how to structure a successful RPG session. I have no problem taking GNS apart into tiny little pieces. I have no problem stating that PbtA are far more conventional than often asserted, even retro in some respects. I have no lack of confidence placing my experience as a GM on the balance with anyone on these forums. I have had these same conversations dozens of times, with people very knowledgeable about their pet topics. I have been "shushed" by Ron Edwards for questioning concepts he considered to be long-settled. I don't know what to tell you. I am prepared to debate at length, and I am confident that the longer we talk about these matters, the less resolved you will be about the things you are so certain of. However, you are under no obligation to continue. Nor am I under any obligation to silence myself. However, I would really appreciate if if you refrained from claiming that I am coming from some place of sophistry or unsteady reasoning. You may take issue with every single thing I say, but once thing I have not done is come here and say that the things other people have argued, in good faith, are "shenanigans" or somehow not worthy of respectful discussion. [/QUOTE]
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