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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6129227" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Actually, an Elephant's gore attack does more damage than a Roc's talons - 2d8+15 vs 2d6+12 (3.5) or 2d8+10 vs 2d6+9 (Pathfinder). That's assuming it's not diving (since I'm not sure a Roc could use a Flyby Attack with a dive unless the terrain is very favorable). The Roc can use Power Attack to even out the damage, though.</p><p></p><p>The tactics entry in both AD&D and 3E indicates a Rocs instinctive hunting technique is to Snatch prey and then carry them off. Unfortunately, an average Roc isn't strong enough to fly off with an average Elephant. I'm imagining that a Roc is likely to try that with an Elephant and find it doesn't work too well, but an experienced older bird learns better tactics for dealing with Huge-sized prey, such as Flyby hit-and-run. It does have the Flyby Attack feat, after all, so they must use it now and again.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I reckon a Roc's ideal prey is something like a Bison or a Heavy Horse. Big enough to feed the whole family, light enough to carry back to the nest in one piece, and not dangerous enough to be a risk.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are 3E stats for a bunch of dinosaurs in <em><strong>Dragon #318</strong></em> and <em><strong>Dungeon #143</strong></em>, both of which include <em>Diplodocus</em>, <em>Parasaurolyphus</em> and <em>Stegosaurus</em>. The stats are basically the same in both. Of the three, the <em>Parasaurolyphus</em> is by far the best candidate as Roc prey - the other two are a lot tougher customer.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well that's certainly conceivable, although there's nothing in the original writeup to indicate that standard 3E/AD&D Rocs possess such well developed instincts for cooperative hunting. Families of giant hornbills manage something similar in our corner of the Prime Material.</p><p></p><p>I prefer having standard Rocs act more-or-less like Eagles, though, which likely precludes "herding" behaviour.</p><p></p><p>However, there is a better Roc candidate for such behaviour - the Expert D&D Roc. Those are Lawful and the two smaller varieties ("Small Roc" and "Large Roc") live in groups of up to 8 or 12. They can also be tamed and trained and as riding-beasts.</p><p></p><p>That suggests that they're social animals who are likely to be pack-hunters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6129227, member: 57383"] Actually, an Elephant's gore attack does more damage than a Roc's talons - 2d8+15 vs 2d6+12 (3.5) or 2d8+10 vs 2d6+9 (Pathfinder). That's assuming it's not diving (since I'm not sure a Roc could use a Flyby Attack with a dive unless the terrain is very favorable). The Roc can use Power Attack to even out the damage, though. The tactics entry in both AD&D and 3E indicates a Rocs instinctive hunting technique is to Snatch prey and then carry them off. Unfortunately, an average Roc isn't strong enough to fly off with an average Elephant. I'm imagining that a Roc is likely to try that with an Elephant and find it doesn't work too well, but an experienced older bird learns better tactics for dealing with Huge-sized prey, such as Flyby hit-and-run. It does have the Flyby Attack feat, after all, so they must use it now and again. I reckon a Roc's ideal prey is something like a Bison or a Heavy Horse. Big enough to feed the whole family, light enough to carry back to the nest in one piece, and not dangerous enough to be a risk. There are 3E stats for a bunch of dinosaurs in [I][B]Dragon #318[/B][/I] and [I][B]Dungeon #143[/B][/I], both of which include [I]Diplodocus[/I], [I]Parasaurolyphus[/I] and [I]Stegosaurus[/I]. The stats are basically the same in both. Of the three, the [I]Parasaurolyphus[/I] is by far the best candidate as Roc prey - the other two are a lot tougher customer. Well that's certainly conceivable, although there's nothing in the original writeup to indicate that standard 3E/AD&D Rocs possess such well developed instincts for cooperative hunting. Families of giant hornbills manage something similar in our corner of the Prime Material. I prefer having standard Rocs act more-or-less like Eagles, though, which likely precludes "herding" behaviour. However, there is a better Roc candidate for such behaviour - the Expert D&D Roc. Those are Lawful and the two smaller varieties ("Small Roc" and "Large Roc") live in groups of up to 8 or 12. They can also be tamed and trained and as riding-beasts. That suggests that they're social animals who are likely to be pack-hunters. [/QUOTE]
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