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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 3476574" data-attributes="member: 9254"><p>The mistake is in thinking it's all or nothing. </p><p></p><p>If 4e is a closed game it will be successful. If 4e is an OGL game it will be successful. IMO it would be more successful over the long haul with an OGL component but regardless, 4e will make the owners of D&D boat loads of money as long as it isn't Cyberpunk 4e drek. Even if it is utter drek, so many people will buy it out of curiosity that it will still break even.</p><p></p><p>However....4e will be competing with the d20 system which will never, ever, <em>ever</em> completely die. Look at how long Fudge has been around and tell me that d20 would die. Fudge is almost infinitely less well known and it still soldiers on! D20 will do the same but it is widely known even if it doesn't have the same market cachet.</p><p></p><p>D20 will probably become something like GURPS only with the system shared across the industry rather than within SJG products. D20's appeal will be that everyone knows how to play it and that it is a workable mechanic that any publisher can use. New game settings/systems will continue to be released with various levels of adherence to the "pure" R/SRD (ala Conan or Arcana Evolved). The total quantity of new d20 product releases will continue to decline for a while (the market is pretty saturated and PDFs could be available indefinitely) but will stabilize at some point as new material feeds the market cravings and new versions replace out-of-print products on shelves.</p><p></p><p>D20 will compete with 4e. Matter of fact, d20 will compete with 4e regardless of 4e being OGL or not! I doubt that all the d20-variant games will convert to 4e because they don't need to. Just release their books without the d20 logo and provide a "Game Guide" with an XP chart. I'd say that d20 will probably wind up with a White Wolf's worth of market share with the lion's share of that taken up by 2-3 top publishers and the rest divided up amoung hundreds of smaller companies. </p><p></p><p>It is unlikey that any d20 publisher will really rival WotC, or even WW, but it could happen if they come up with an excellent setting and decent support.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 3476574, member: 9254"] The mistake is in thinking it's all or nothing. If 4e is a closed game it will be successful. If 4e is an OGL game it will be successful. IMO it would be more successful over the long haul with an OGL component but regardless, 4e will make the owners of D&D boat loads of money as long as it isn't Cyberpunk 4e drek. Even if it is utter drek, so many people will buy it out of curiosity that it will still break even. However....4e will be competing with the d20 system which will never, ever, [i]ever[/i] completely die. Look at how long Fudge has been around and tell me that d20 would die. Fudge is almost infinitely less well known and it still soldiers on! D20 will do the same but it is widely known even if it doesn't have the same market cachet. D20 will probably become something like GURPS only with the system shared across the industry rather than within SJG products. D20's appeal will be that everyone knows how to play it and that it is a workable mechanic that any publisher can use. New game settings/systems will continue to be released with various levels of adherence to the "pure" R/SRD (ala Conan or Arcana Evolved). The total quantity of new d20 product releases will continue to decline for a while (the market is pretty saturated and PDFs could be available indefinitely) but will stabilize at some point as new material feeds the market cravings and new versions replace out-of-print products on shelves. D20 will compete with 4e. Matter of fact, d20 will compete with 4e regardless of 4e being OGL or not! I doubt that all the d20-variant games will convert to 4e because they don't need to. Just release their books without the d20 logo and provide a "Game Guide" with an XP chart. I'd say that d20 will probably wind up with a White Wolf's worth of market share with the lion's share of that taken up by 2-3 top publishers and the rest divided up amoung hundreds of smaller companies. It is unlikey that any d20 publisher will really rival WotC, or even WW, but it could happen if they come up with an excellent setting and decent support. [/QUOTE]
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