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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 814054" data-attributes="member: 892"><p>A fair comment, deserving a fair reply. Most character generation systems are either point-buy or random, where you roll dice 6 times, and choose how you assign the 6 results. In both cases, the con penalty can be worked around without too much trouble (if you have an 11 and a 13 to split between DEX and CON, you can juggle these to have either an elf with 13 Dex and 11 Con, or a half-elf with 13 Dex and 11 Con). While con is nice, it is rarely the absolute first choice stat (that falls to the spell-casting stat for spell casters, str for fighter types, dex for rogue types) and thus one doesn't usually need to make it absolutely as high as possible. And Dex is pretty good, unless you have a lot of high stats and wear heavy armour. But the characters that favour CON are usually the same characters that would benefit most from the extra feat the human gets, and the half-elf does not. There are special-case exceptions, but I think that they are special-case exceptions.</p><p></p><p>But, if your character generation system is more restrictive (i.e., roll dice 6 times and assign them in order to STR, DEX, CON, INT, WIS, CHR) AND you favour con more than dex for this particular character, AND you want "elf-lite" abilities more than the extra feat and skill points a human gets, then you have a point. I can even imagine a half-elf fighter-tank (which needs con) that spends some feats on Alertness, Iron Will, Skill Focus (spot), and Skill focus (listen) to capitalize on their elvish abilities. That might work, although if one doesn't spend those feats like that, then the elven abilities don't have as much synergy for the heavy armour types.</p><p></p><p>Aside from all that, it would have been nice if half-elves had been given something that was their own. A prestige class that only half-elves can get. A bonus to one's fort save for being a hardy half-breed. Something. It didn't have to be big. </p><p></p><p>[Starts to sob -- is handed some clean underwear, blows his nose in it, and hands it back] </p><p></p><p>As it stands, if nothing will be done for the hapless half-elf I would almost prefer that the half-elf be cut from the new PHB and the freed up space used for something else. A new race, perhaps.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and getting back on topic, I haven't heard that the Create Item feats are going to be adjusted, so that one does not have to spend separate feats on Wand, Staff, and Ring, as opposed to the multi-purpose Create Wondrous Item. But maybe something will be done.</p><p></p><p>And I am buying all three books regardless from my FLGS in July. The plusses will outweigh the minuses. But venting is good too. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 814054, member: 892"] A fair comment, deserving a fair reply. Most character generation systems are either point-buy or random, where you roll dice 6 times, and choose how you assign the 6 results. In both cases, the con penalty can be worked around without too much trouble (if you have an 11 and a 13 to split between DEX and CON, you can juggle these to have either an elf with 13 Dex and 11 Con, or a half-elf with 13 Dex and 11 Con). While con is nice, it is rarely the absolute first choice stat (that falls to the spell-casting stat for spell casters, str for fighter types, dex for rogue types) and thus one doesn't usually need to make it absolutely as high as possible. And Dex is pretty good, unless you have a lot of high stats and wear heavy armour. But the characters that favour CON are usually the same characters that would benefit most from the extra feat the human gets, and the half-elf does not. There are special-case exceptions, but I think that they are special-case exceptions. But, if your character generation system is more restrictive (i.e., roll dice 6 times and assign them in order to STR, DEX, CON, INT, WIS, CHR) AND you favour con more than dex for this particular character, AND you want "elf-lite" abilities more than the extra feat and skill points a human gets, then you have a point. I can even imagine a half-elf fighter-tank (which needs con) that spends some feats on Alertness, Iron Will, Skill Focus (spot), and Skill focus (listen) to capitalize on their elvish abilities. That might work, although if one doesn't spend those feats like that, then the elven abilities don't have as much synergy for the heavy armour types. Aside from all that, it would have been nice if half-elves had been given something that was their own. A prestige class that only half-elves can get. A bonus to one's fort save for being a hardy half-breed. Something. It didn't have to be big. [Starts to sob -- is handed some clean underwear, blows his nose in it, and hands it back] As it stands, if nothing will be done for the hapless half-elf I would almost prefer that the half-elf be cut from the new PHB and the freed up space used for something else. A new race, perhaps. Oh, and getting back on topic, I haven't heard that the Create Item feats are going to be adjusted, so that one does not have to spend separate feats on Wand, Staff, and Ring, as opposed to the multi-purpose Create Wondrous Item. But maybe something will be done. And I am buying all three books regardless from my FLGS in July. The plusses will outweigh the minuses. But venting is good too. :) [/QUOTE]
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