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<blockquote data-quote="OnlineDM" data-source="post: 5611790" data-attributes="member: 90804"><p>My perspective, as a player who's only really been in the game a year and a half, starting with 4th Edition, and just now learning Pathfinder (though 4e is still my main game):</p><p></p><p>-I think what a lot of people don't like about 4e compared to earlier editions is that it's more "gamist" and less "simulationist" (I hope I'm using those terms correctly). In learning Pathfinder, I see lots of things in the rules that seem to use game mechanics to more closely approximate "reality" but they're far more complicated than their 4e equivalents (burst/blast shapes, diagonal movement, racial flavor mechanics, etc.). I'm pretty happy with 4e in this respect, but I know lots of people don't like it.</p><p></p><p>-The Essentials books have been good additions to the game in my opinion, but I know some people don't like them. They see it as a change in design philosophy that means that the type of characters they enjoy won't be getting future support. I think that feeling should be fading now that WotC has been addressing some pre-Essentials classes lately in Dragon, but we shall see.</p><p></p><p>-DDI has been a mess from a business and communication perspective in a lot of ways. The rollout of the online Character Builder was depressing because it's not as good as the downloadable one in many ways (still no customizable character sheets or custom content, for instance). It's better today than it was at launch, but it still lacks functionality that the old Builder had. It should have been released as a beta. The Monster Builder at least HAS been released as a beta, and I haven't even bothered using it since it really isn't functional yet. I've been using <a href="https://power2ool.com" target="_blank">Power2ool</a> lately for monsters and enjoying it.</p><p></p><p>-I don't think 5e is on the horizon. Judge for yourself - there's plenty of talk about the idea - but I don't think we'll see it before 2013 at the <em>earliest</em>.</p><p></p><p>-Pathfinder appeals to people who like more "simulationist" play and don't like the innovations of 4e (healing surges, unified power structure across classes, powers, etc.). Also, a lot of people like Paizo as a <em>company</em> much more than they like WotC as a company. I'm personally fine with both WotC and Paizo, but I know that some people feel very passionately about this topic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OnlineDM, post: 5611790, member: 90804"] My perspective, as a player who's only really been in the game a year and a half, starting with 4th Edition, and just now learning Pathfinder (though 4e is still my main game): -I think what a lot of people don't like about 4e compared to earlier editions is that it's more "gamist" and less "simulationist" (I hope I'm using those terms correctly). In learning Pathfinder, I see lots of things in the rules that seem to use game mechanics to more closely approximate "reality" but they're far more complicated than their 4e equivalents (burst/blast shapes, diagonal movement, racial flavor mechanics, etc.). I'm pretty happy with 4e in this respect, but I know lots of people don't like it. -The Essentials books have been good additions to the game in my opinion, but I know some people don't like them. They see it as a change in design philosophy that means that the type of characters they enjoy won't be getting future support. I think that feeling should be fading now that WotC has been addressing some pre-Essentials classes lately in Dragon, but we shall see. -DDI has been a mess from a business and communication perspective in a lot of ways. The rollout of the online Character Builder was depressing because it's not as good as the downloadable one in many ways (still no customizable character sheets or custom content, for instance). It's better today than it was at launch, but it still lacks functionality that the old Builder had. It should have been released as a beta. The Monster Builder at least HAS been released as a beta, and I haven't even bothered using it since it really isn't functional yet. I've been using [URL="https://power2ool.com"]Power2ool[/URL] lately for monsters and enjoying it. -I don't think 5e is on the horizon. Judge for yourself - there's plenty of talk about the idea - but I don't think we'll see it before 2013 at the [I]earliest[/I]. -Pathfinder appeals to people who like more "simulationist" play and don't like the innovations of 4e (healing surges, unified power structure across classes, powers, etc.). Also, a lot of people like Paizo as a [I]company[/I] much more than they like WotC as a company. I'm personally fine with both WotC and Paizo, but I know that some people feel very passionately about this topic. [/QUOTE]
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