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<blockquote data-quote="TerraDave" data-source="post: 5612701" data-attributes="member: 22260"><p>The "issues" with 4E, in rough chronological order:</p><p></p><p>*End of print Dragon and Dungeon when they were at a recent peak, </p><p></p><p>*Highly negative marketing, </p><p></p><p>*Seeming change for change’s sake, </p><p></p><p>*No OGL (for 4E) but the crappy GSL, </p><p></p><p>*Adventures and lack thereof, </p><p></p><p>*Encounter, gamist, driven metagame that creeped into the actual game,</p><p></p><p>*Skill challenges and dancing DCs, </p><p></p><p>*Rituals not really working right, </p><p></p><p>*Longish combats and mispowered monsters, </p><p></p><p>*An obsession with balance alongside really obviously strangely unbalanced options, </p><p></p><p>*bloat, bloAT, and BLOAT,</p><p></p><p>*Uneven Dragon and Dungeon content, </p><p></p><p>*Updates, followed, by updates, then even more updates, then updates on the updates…</p><p></p><p>*Online “tools”,</p><p></p><p>*Essentials that aren’t,</p><p></p><p>*Supported by the now standard bad communication,</p><p></p><p>*Sudden change in approach to new products, with far fewer of them,</p><p></p><p>………..And the ultimate in craptitude:</p><p></p><p>*Fortune cards</p><p></p><p>But its still the game I prefer to DM. And none of the above have to effect <em>your</em> game, at least not very much. </p><p></p><p>What is so great about other editions? People liked AD&D, including its 3E incarnation. I think that is pretty much it. There is a certain irony to it…</p><p></p><p>Back to the WotCies, recently I think we have seen a scramble (what in another thread I said might be “gambling for resurrection”) as they have come under pressure, and the results haven’t been great. </p><p></p><p>This where much of the 5E talk comes from. That, and Mearl’s enigmatic Legend and Lore columns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TerraDave, post: 5612701, member: 22260"] The "issues" with 4E, in rough chronological order: *End of print Dragon and Dungeon when they were at a recent peak, *Highly negative marketing, *Seeming change for change’s sake, *No OGL (for 4E) but the crappy GSL, *Adventures and lack thereof, *Encounter, gamist, driven metagame that creeped into the actual game, *Skill challenges and dancing DCs, *Rituals not really working right, *Longish combats and mispowered monsters, *An obsession with balance alongside really obviously strangely unbalanced options, *bloat, bloAT, and BLOAT, *Uneven Dragon and Dungeon content, *Updates, followed, by updates, then even more updates, then updates on the updates… *Online “tools”, *Essentials that aren’t, *Supported by the now standard bad communication, *Sudden change in approach to new products, with far fewer of them, ………..And the ultimate in craptitude: *Fortune cards But its still the game I prefer to DM. And none of the above have to effect [i]your[/i] game, at least not very much. What is so great about other editions? People liked AD&D, including its 3E incarnation. I think that is pretty much it. There is a certain irony to it… Back to the WotCies, recently I think we have seen a scramble (what in another thread I said might be “gambling for resurrection”) as they have come under pressure, and the results haven’t been great. This where much of the 5E talk comes from. That, and Mearl’s enigmatic Legend and Lore columns. [/QUOTE]
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