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<blockquote data-quote="Lordhawkins9" data-source="post: 5615467" data-attributes="member: 95206"><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I've been playing 4th since it came out, but once I'm done with my current campaign...I'm going back to 1st edition. Here's two reasons why:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">1) For years everyone wanted "balance". Well...WotC delivered. Now all classes are so balanced against each other...you may as only have one class. Your fighter wanted to heal some?...don't bother classing into Cleric, just take this fighter power that lets you spend a healing serge. A world in which magic exists is not a world where everyone is equal. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The 20th level Wizard who lives in the tower is the badest mo-fo on the continent. He got there because his friend, the fighter, was there to cover his butt through the early years. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The fighter swings a weapon, the thief picks locks, the cleric heals, and the wizard blasts things. All have their ups and downs...that's why they WORK TOGETHER. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Now you can grab any 4-5 characters and be none the worse for wear. Boring.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">2) Speaking of a world of Magic…where’d the magic go? Every class has their own powers. A lot of them. The Fighter has his dailies, the Wizard has his…and they all do about the same thing. When the Wizard throws one of his dailies…no one cares what it’s called. There are 10+ classes each with 100+ powers. I doubt that many casual players can accurately name any power when given a description.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Before 4E you could find “Fireball” in spellbooks, scrolls, on wands, staves, necklaces, and anyone picking up wizard spells, evocation, or any one of dozens of creatures could cast it. Fireball had meaning. You knew one when you saw it. Now? It’s one power out of over 1,000. No special meaning or recognition. Bland.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There are other reasons, but these two are pretty big in my mind.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lordhawkins9, post: 5615467, member: 95206"] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana]I've been playing 4th since it came out, but once I'm done with my current campaign...I'm going back to 1st edition. Here's two reasons why:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana]1) For years everyone wanted "balance". Well...WotC delivered. Now all classes are so balanced against each other...you may as only have one class. Your fighter wanted to heal some?...don't bother classing into Cleric, just take this fighter power that lets you spend a healing serge. A world in which magic exists is not a world where everyone is equal. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana]The 20th level Wizard who lives in the tower is the badest mo-fo on the continent. He got there because his friend, the fighter, was there to cover his butt through the early years. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana]The fighter swings a weapon, the thief picks locks, the cleric heals, and the wizard blasts things. All have their ups and downs...that's why they WORK TOGETHER. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana]Now you can grab any 4-5 characters and be none the worse for wear. Boring.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana]2) Speaking of a world of Magic…where’d the magic go? Every class has their own powers. A lot of them. The Fighter has his dailies, the Wizard has his…and they all do about the same thing. When the Wizard throws one of his dailies…no one cares what it’s called. There are 10+ classes each with 100+ powers. I doubt that many casual players can accurately name any power when given a description.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana]Before 4E you could find “Fireball” in spellbooks, scrolls, on wands, staves, necklaces, and anyone picking up wizard spells, evocation, or any one of dozens of creatures could cast it. Fireball had meaning. You knew one when you saw it. Now? It’s one power out of over 1,000. No special meaning or recognition. Bland.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][FONT=Verdana]There are other reasons, but these two are pretty big in my mind.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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