Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
What's so bad about 4th edition? What's so good about other systems?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="nnms" data-source="post: 5639166" data-attributes="member: 83293"><p>That's exactly what I'm doing. Right now I'm in the awkward position of having a bunch of players who are having a blast while I am not. And I'm finding that the features of 4E are not ones that I find attractive anymore. I need to transition the 4E game to having another person run it as it's not really fair of me just to end it and I'm only one participant in a larger group (I don't believe in DM primacy).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do all those things. The Monster Vault tokens were my favorite purchase of the Essentials releases for exactly that reason. Another thing I've done is always have maps and dungeon tiles down. I have a huge collection of them and can prepare one for wherever they find themselves when a scene is framed. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In current game the players are now the ruling council of a kingdom. Everything they do is stuff they are interested in as players. Right now they're trying to free the human slave population of the neighbouring dragon ruled city states.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see p42 as a pretty weak solution to a lot of improve issues. I use DMG2's recommendations about terrain powers and whatnot.</p><p></p><p>The main issue with p42 is when you use it to grant players powers they don't otherwise have access to while those who have them are at the table.</p><p></p><p>"You mean if I want to shift multiple squares I can just use my acrobatics skill and move over them? Why did I bother taking this tumble utility power? If the DC is low enough for the fighter to have just done it, I'm never going to fail."</p><p></p><p>That's a paraphrase of one of the players at the table. They like the 4E combat as it is and don't want their system choices invalidated by p42 improv moves.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did that at level 1. Just level down the creatures so that the attack, damage, defenses, etc., are all level appropriate. Try it. The game works for any story setting at any level. That's one of the features that I used to think was what I wanted out of an rpg.</p><p></p><p>People talk about paragon tier being more about interplanar stuff or whatever, but it's all just a smoke screen as the monster math and level system mean you can do it at any level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You do know that time doesn't pass for fictional characters right? That I could just as easily put the game on hold and come back to it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nnms, post: 5639166, member: 83293"] That's exactly what I'm doing. Right now I'm in the awkward position of having a bunch of players who are having a blast while I am not. And I'm finding that the features of 4E are not ones that I find attractive anymore. I need to transition the 4E game to having another person run it as it's not really fair of me just to end it and I'm only one participant in a larger group (I don't believe in DM primacy). I do all those things. The Monster Vault tokens were my favorite purchase of the Essentials releases for exactly that reason. Another thing I've done is always have maps and dungeon tiles down. I have a huge collection of them and can prepare one for wherever they find themselves when a scene is framed. In current game the players are now the ruling council of a kingdom. Everything they do is stuff they are interested in as players. Right now they're trying to free the human slave population of the neighbouring dragon ruled city states. I see p42 as a pretty weak solution to a lot of improve issues. I use DMG2's recommendations about terrain powers and whatnot. The main issue with p42 is when you use it to grant players powers they don't otherwise have access to while those who have them are at the table. "You mean if I want to shift multiple squares I can just use my acrobatics skill and move over them? Why did I bother taking this tumble utility power? If the DC is low enough for the fighter to have just done it, I'm never going to fail." That's a paraphrase of one of the players at the table. They like the 4E combat as it is and don't want their system choices invalidated by p42 improv moves. Did that at level 1. Just level down the creatures so that the attack, damage, defenses, etc., are all level appropriate. Try it. The game works for any story setting at any level. That's one of the features that I used to think was what I wanted out of an rpg. People talk about paragon tier being more about interplanar stuff or whatever, but it's all just a smoke screen as the monster math and level system mean you can do it at any level. You do know that time doesn't pass for fictional characters right? That I could just as easily put the game on hold and come back to it? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
What's so bad about 4th edition? What's so good about other systems?
Top