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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4736199" data-attributes="member: 7635"><p>Here was my experience in 2e, in a party full of mages (a thief, a mage/cleric, a mage, another mage, a fighter-dual-classed-mage, and a fighter). </p><p></p><p><strong>The Mages:</strong></p><p>Hmmm... I'm 15th level now. What do I fill my 5 second level spell slots with? <em>Acid Arrow</em>? Nah, damage is minor compared to <em>disintegrate</em> or even <em>lightning bolt</em>. How bout <em>Levitate</em>? Ah, I have fly which lasts longer and moves better. What about<em> Summon Swarm</em>? No, <em>Summon Monster II</em>I is much more potent. I know, <em>Knock</em> never gets old, esp when our thief rolls his 96%+. <em>Invisibility</em> if my hp goes low, <em>Detect Invisibility</em> if we get caught by invisible stalkers again, <em>Alter Self</em>, always classy, and, uh, what the heck, another <em>Knock</em>. Remy's dice have been trying to kill him as of late...</p><p></p><p>Part of that scenario was the inordinate amount of wizards in a high-level party, but I did start to see that as 2nd level spells (which is bereft of high-damage magic anyway) became less important, they began to fill with these utility magic effects like knock or invisibility. (FWIW: 1st level became <em>Magic Missile</em> x5 after 11th level). </p><p></p><p>what did 3e do to exasperate it? It put 15th level down 7th level due to cheap wands and scrolls.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 4736199, member: 7635"] Here was my experience in 2e, in a party full of mages (a thief, a mage/cleric, a mage, another mage, a fighter-dual-classed-mage, and a fighter). [B]The Mages:[/B] Hmmm... I'm 15th level now. What do I fill my 5 second level spell slots with? [I]Acid Arrow[/I]? Nah, damage is minor compared to [I]disintegrate[/I] or even [I]lightning bolt[/I]. How bout [I]Levitate[/I]? Ah, I have fly which lasts longer and moves better. What about[I] Summon Swarm[/I]? No, [I]Summon Monster II[/I]I is much more potent. I know, [I]Knock[/I] never gets old, esp when our thief rolls his 96%+. [I]Invisibility[/I] if my hp goes low, [I]Detect Invisibility[/I] if we get caught by invisible stalkers again, [I]Alter Self[/I], always classy, and, uh, what the heck, another [I]Knock[/I]. Remy's dice have been trying to kill him as of late... Part of that scenario was the inordinate amount of wizards in a high-level party, but I did start to see that as 2nd level spells (which is bereft of high-damage magic anyway) became less important, they began to fill with these utility magic effects like knock or invisibility. (FWIW: 1st level became [I]Magic Missile[/I] x5 after 11th level). what did 3e do to exasperate it? It put 15th level down 7th level due to cheap wands and scrolls. [/QUOTE]
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