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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7215057" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>Right. Being hidden means they don't know what space you're in. But if the cover only provides cover for a single space, then it's pretty obvious where they are and you can't really hide. </p><p>There's a difference between having full cover and being hidden. Full cover has its own benefits (such as not being able to be directly targeted by most attacks). There's a big difference from a creature not being able to see or detect you (not having line of sight) and you being hidden. </p><p></p><p>The halfling rogue ducking behind a five-foot-cubed boulder or behind the column isn't hidden. They just can't be seen. The enemy knows they're there, and knows where they are. The halfling can't just hide and get the benefits of Sneak Attack because the enemy knows what direction to guard from. They know the attack is coming and it's not a surprise. </p><p>They're not an infant, they have object permanence, and aren't going to assume an enemy teleported away because it dropped out of line of sight for literally 6 seconds.</p><p></p><p>If the halfling can teleport or use a hidden trapdoor then that does change the situation. It gets them away. But if the wizard teleports away they're not automatically hidden. </p><p></p><p>There are of course exceptions. Which is why the rules are written the way they are.</p><p>Again, if the rogue uses magical boots to teleport, then maybe the DM could rule they could hide. Or in a woodland setting where you're not ducking behind the one piece of cover but running through the underbrush and there's no way of knowing what direction you're coming from. </p><p>Or the halfling rogue could duck behind the pillar and <em>climb up the pillar</em>. I'd allow that to count as being hidden if the attack comes from several feet above where it's expected (and the rogue makes the Athletics and Stealth checks).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7215057, member: 37579"] Right. Being hidden means they don't know what space you're in. But if the cover only provides cover for a single space, then it's pretty obvious where they are and you can't really hide. There's a difference between having full cover and being hidden. Full cover has its own benefits (such as not being able to be directly targeted by most attacks). There's a big difference from a creature not being able to see or detect you (not having line of sight) and you being hidden. The halfling rogue ducking behind a five-foot-cubed boulder or behind the column isn't hidden. They just can't be seen. The enemy knows they're there, and knows where they are. The halfling can't just hide and get the benefits of Sneak Attack because the enemy knows what direction to guard from. They know the attack is coming and it's not a surprise. They're not an infant, they have object permanence, and aren't going to assume an enemy teleported away because it dropped out of line of sight for literally 6 seconds. If the halfling can teleport or use a hidden trapdoor then that does change the situation. It gets them away. But if the wizard teleports away they're not automatically hidden. There are of course exceptions. Which is why the rules are written the way they are. Again, if the rogue uses magical boots to teleport, then maybe the DM could rule they could hide. Or in a woodland setting where you're not ducking behind the one piece of cover but running through the underbrush and there's no way of knowing what direction you're coming from. Or the halfling rogue could duck behind the pillar and [I]climb up the pillar[/I]. I'd allow that to count as being hidden if the attack comes from several feet above where it's expected (and the rogue makes the Athletics and Stealth checks). [/QUOTE]
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