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When did the Fighter become "defender"?
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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5905548" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>I've never seen a 4e fighter behave like the bodyguard you indicate. It's a strawman.</p><p> </p><p>Let's look at what the actual mechanics do and how people actually behave - and compare a Striker to a Defender - both the Knight and the Slayer are types of Fighter, with a Knight being a Defender, and a Slayer a Striker.</p><p> </p><p>Staz the Slayer (Striker) charges into the three orcs, and cuts the first in half and turns to face the second. The third orc takes a look at Staz, doesn't like the look of six foot six of muscle and armour, and thinks "@#%$ This!" He then steps to the side (5' step), and charges the person in robes who isn't likely to turn him into a couple of half-orcs.</p><p> </p><p>Dieter the Knight (Defender) also charges into the three orcs and impales the first one on the point of his longsword. The orcs again are less than happy facing 6'6" of solid armoured muscle. And one of them again tries to disengage then charge the squishy guy who might launch a fireball. Safer for him both ways. But because Dieter is a Defender, even if he doesn't hit quite as hard as Staz he controls the space around him. And when the orc's eyes flicker off Dieter that gives Dieter the opening he needs to slip his sword past the second orc's defences. </p><p> </p><p>Staz may (and indeed does) hit harder. But Dieter controls where the orcs are - and if they try to even creep away from him he owns them.</p><p> </p><p>The Defender controls the battlefield. Without magical help, or seriously skilled leadership, you can't take your attention off a fighter who's engaged you (other than a Slayer) enough to even retreat without him seeing the weakness in your defences and having a chance to slip his sword through.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5905548, member: 87792"] I've never seen a 4e fighter behave like the bodyguard you indicate. It's a strawman. Let's look at what the actual mechanics do and how people actually behave - and compare a Striker to a Defender - both the Knight and the Slayer are types of Fighter, with a Knight being a Defender, and a Slayer a Striker. Staz the Slayer (Striker) charges into the three orcs, and cuts the first in half and turns to face the second. The third orc takes a look at Staz, doesn't like the look of six foot six of muscle and armour, and thinks "@#%$ This!" He then steps to the side (5' step), and charges the person in robes who isn't likely to turn him into a couple of half-orcs. Dieter the Knight (Defender) also charges into the three orcs and impales the first one on the point of his longsword. The orcs again are less than happy facing 6'6" of solid armoured muscle. And one of them again tries to disengage then charge the squishy guy who might launch a fireball. Safer for him both ways. But because Dieter is a Defender, even if he doesn't hit quite as hard as Staz he controls the space around him. And when the orc's eyes flicker off Dieter that gives Dieter the opening he needs to slip his sword past the second orc's defences. Staz may (and indeed does) hit harder. But Dieter controls where the orcs are - and if they try to even creep away from him he owns them. The Defender controls the battlefield. Without magical help, or seriously skilled leadership, you can't take your attention off a fighter who's engaged you (other than a Slayer) enough to even retreat without him seeing the weakness in your defences and having a chance to slip his sword through. [/QUOTE]
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