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When did the Fighter become "defender"?
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<blockquote data-quote="Wiseblood" data-source="post: 5906064" data-attributes="member: 42437"><p>Whew I have now read the pages and I've caught up.</p><p> </p><p>The defeder role has shaped the class abilities of fighters to the point that it is difficult to shape the fighter that you want. This is what I mean by the roles being defined and the classes hammered into them. The fighter's class abilities and it's powers funnel it into a style of playing that feels very rigid to me. </p><p> </p><p>I played and DM'ed 4e for a year the players that played fighters performed well. They had a good time and were useful party members. They embraced the class and the defender role. </p><p> </p><p>I could not, because to me, a fighter is much more flexible than the one presented. Some examples would be two weapon fighters or archers. </p><p> </p><p>You can say the Ranger would be the class you want. I would say no. I want heavy armor and lots of healing surges. Perhaps I want a duelist lightly armored and wielding a light weapon. I might be able to pull it off but I will clearly not be living up to my potential using the fighter class. </p><p> </p><p>I am not willing to sacrifice that much in either direction. That is where the defender role has brought me.</p><p> </p><p>I think 5e will have classes shaped by backgroundsand themes in a way that is more my style.</p><p> </p><p>I hope everyone is enjoying this thread. I have been enlightened and entertained.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wiseblood, post: 5906064, member: 42437"] Whew I have now read the pages and I've caught up. The defeder role has shaped the class abilities of fighters to the point that it is difficult to shape the fighter that you want. This is what I mean by the roles being defined and the classes hammered into them. The fighter's class abilities and it's powers funnel it into a style of playing that feels very rigid to me. I played and DM'ed 4e for a year the players that played fighters performed well. They had a good time and were useful party members. They embraced the class and the defender role. I could not, because to me, a fighter is much more flexible than the one presented. Some examples would be two weapon fighters or archers. You can say the Ranger would be the class you want. I would say no. I want heavy armor and lots of healing surges. Perhaps I want a duelist lightly armored and wielding a light weapon. I might be able to pull it off but I will clearly not be living up to my potential using the fighter class. I am not willing to sacrifice that much in either direction. That is where the defender role has brought me. I think 5e will have classes shaped by backgroundsand themes in a way that is more my style. I hope everyone is enjoying this thread. I have been enlightened and entertained. [/QUOTE]
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