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When did the Fighter become "defender"?
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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 5906409" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>No it is more subtle than that. It is just like the arguments over whether the 3e fighter is sidelined by the wizard. It is going to depend on where the indidivuals thresholds are. Some people are going to see it that way, others are going to see it another. What mechanics achieve in terms of overall effect is a very subjective thing. So someone had a different experience of 4e than you...that doesn't mean your experience and perception of it is going to be universal and it certainly doesn't mean they didn't play (as you suggest in the second part of your post). Two people can play 4e fighters and come away with very different impressions what they can achieve. It is going to boil down to what the think of the powr options available to the fighter and what they think about other roles like strikers stepping on their toes or not stepping on their toes. Everyone's sense of what makes the fghter relegated to being a body guard or not will be different. It is subjective just like it would be subjective to say the fighter is cool, boring or deadly.</p><p></p><p>Now if someone makes a specific claim like the fighter is a bodyguard because he does less damage over an encounter than a striker can, and yiu can show that the striker cant do more damage over an encounter, then yes you have a claim to truth there. But the golden mean fallacy doesn't really apply to subjective judgment calls about how cool a class is or how well it fits a particular role.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 5906409, member: 85555"] No it is more subtle than that. It is just like the arguments over whether the 3e fighter is sidelined by the wizard. It is going to depend on where the indidivuals thresholds are. Some people are going to see it that way, others are going to see it another. What mechanics achieve in terms of overall effect is a very subjective thing. So someone had a different experience of 4e than you...that doesn't mean your experience and perception of it is going to be universal and it certainly doesn't mean they didn't play (as you suggest in the second part of your post). Two people can play 4e fighters and come away with very different impressions what they can achieve. It is going to boil down to what the think of the powr options available to the fighter and what they think about other roles like strikers stepping on their toes or not stepping on their toes. Everyone's sense of what makes the fghter relegated to being a body guard or not will be different. It is subjective just like it would be subjective to say the fighter is cool, boring or deadly. Now if someone makes a specific claim like the fighter is a bodyguard because he does less damage over an encounter than a striker can, and yiu can show that the striker cant do more damage over an encounter, then yes you have a claim to truth there. But the golden mean fallacy doesn't really apply to subjective judgment calls about how cool a class is or how well it fits a particular role. [/QUOTE]
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