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When did the Fighter become "defender"?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5908168" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Then, perhaps, you aren't included in the many I pointed to?</p><p></p><p>I mean, heck, you can see the comments in this very thread of people who are misunderstanding the system. "The defender fighter is a bodyguard" comment which started a long section of this discussion in a perfect example of someone completely misunderstanding 4e mechanics.</p><p></p><p>Look, when you make a comment about a system, and several fans of that system stand up and point to the game and can quote chapter and verse of the books where you are wrong, you are wrong about that system. Doesn't matter what that system is. There's a reason I will very rarely discuss AD&D mechanics in specific, because I know that I'm wrong more often than I'm right.</p><p></p><p>The comment earlier was that you couldn't have a fighter that was a defender and a striker is flat out wrong. It's provably wrong. You can point to powers at level after level which allow a fighter to fulfill either role without even resorting to splatbooks.</p><p></p><p>But, time after time after time, people will continue to bang the same drum that 4e characters are too restricted by role and suchlike. Despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary which immedietely gets ignored because it doesn't fit with the poster's preconception of the system.</p><p></p><p>Why do they have these preconceptions? Because of how the mechanics are presented is my belief. Now, you don't like 4e because of AEDU. Fair enough. That's perfectly legitimate. No worries. You're not making claims about anything other than your specific taste. Therefore, I'm obviously not referring to you when I talk about how the 4e PHB presents the mechanics.</p><p></p><p>But, there are a number of posters in this thread and others who have some pretty faulty grasps on the 4e mechanics and it's obvious to anyone who's actually taken the time to read the books.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5908168, member: 22779"] Then, perhaps, you aren't included in the many I pointed to? I mean, heck, you can see the comments in this very thread of people who are misunderstanding the system. "The defender fighter is a bodyguard" comment which started a long section of this discussion in a perfect example of someone completely misunderstanding 4e mechanics. Look, when you make a comment about a system, and several fans of that system stand up and point to the game and can quote chapter and verse of the books where you are wrong, you are wrong about that system. Doesn't matter what that system is. There's a reason I will very rarely discuss AD&D mechanics in specific, because I know that I'm wrong more often than I'm right. The comment earlier was that you couldn't have a fighter that was a defender and a striker is flat out wrong. It's provably wrong. You can point to powers at level after level which allow a fighter to fulfill either role without even resorting to splatbooks. But, time after time after time, people will continue to bang the same drum that 4e characters are too restricted by role and suchlike. Despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary which immedietely gets ignored because it doesn't fit with the poster's preconception of the system. Why do they have these preconceptions? Because of how the mechanics are presented is my belief. Now, you don't like 4e because of AEDU. Fair enough. That's perfectly legitimate. No worries. You're not making claims about anything other than your specific taste. Therefore, I'm obviously not referring to you when I talk about how the 4e PHB presents the mechanics. But, there are a number of posters in this thread and others who have some pretty faulty grasps on the 4e mechanics and it's obvious to anyone who's actually taken the time to read the books. [/QUOTE]
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