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When did the Fighter become "defender"?
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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5908385" data-attributes="member: 59506"><p>I'm not retconning anything. And Yes, Fighter's toughness is mentioned first. However, it also goes on to say they are the strongest of the classes and the best at hand to hand combat. </p><p> </p><p>That means they are equally good in both aspects, and they are the best characters at this in the game.</p><p> </p><p>In 4E however, that is not the case. The Fighter is predominantly "the toughest", and only secondarily good at hand to hand combat, with other classes outshining them in this aspect.</p><p> </p><p>That is a divergence from prior edtions.</p><p> </p><p>Therefore, as per the OP (in which he states [paraphrased] that "defending" was only a result of beating up all the bad guys), the concept of a Fighter as predominantly a Defender started with 4E.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>You seem to be continuing an attempt to "prove me wrong". That's a tack which usually does not end in anything good here at ENWorld.</p><p> </p><p>Your proof is far from complete and comprehensive. It's not a real analysis, and I found it far from convincing. The only thing that would prove me wrong, would be a side by side comparison of an equally armed 3E Rogue and Fighter with equal damage bonuses, showing average damage per round per level.</p><p> </p><p>If you're willing to take the time to do that to prove me wrong, then you may succeed, though I would find that quite sad for anyone to go to those lengths.</p><p> </p><p>I think it best that we agree to disagree on this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 5908385, member: 59506"] I'm not retconning anything. And Yes, Fighter's toughness is mentioned first. However, it also goes on to say they are the strongest of the classes and the best at hand to hand combat. That means they are equally good in both aspects, and they are the best characters at this in the game. In 4E however, that is not the case. The Fighter is predominantly "the toughest", and only secondarily good at hand to hand combat, with other classes outshining them in this aspect. That is a divergence from prior edtions. Therefore, as per the OP (in which he states [paraphrased] that "defending" was only a result of beating up all the bad guys), the concept of a Fighter as predominantly a Defender started with 4E. You seem to be continuing an attempt to "prove me wrong". That's a tack which usually does not end in anything good here at ENWorld. Your proof is far from complete and comprehensive. It's not a real analysis, and I found it far from convincing. The only thing that would prove me wrong, would be a side by side comparison of an equally armed 3E Rogue and Fighter with equal damage bonuses, showing average damage per round per level. If you're willing to take the time to do that to prove me wrong, then you may succeed, though I would find that quite sad for anyone to go to those lengths. I think it best that we agree to disagree on this. [/QUOTE]
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