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When did the Fighter become "defender"?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5908585" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>But as I have posted repeatedly, I -THE CASTER- did nothing to assist her in any way in that fight. I was helping the rogue(he had prestiges in there) do insane levels of damage but I did nothing to assist the fighter.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>As for 1 - nope. Everything ALL characters had were very much legal and not created by the DM. None of us had artifacts in any way actually, just high level gear from the DMG and a few minor items from the epic level handbook.</p><p></p><p>For 2 - nope. She was really powerful. My example of her one rounding the construct is just a very clear example. She was invaluable throughout the campaign. Once again, throughout the campaign, I would boost myself and the rogue but rarely the fighter. The fighter needed healing as much or more than the others but that was about it.</p><p></p><p>For 3 - Once again, strike (third so you are out) - Nope. She did a divebomb as I recall. By that level we could all fly, without any need for the spell due to wings either in item form or from natural [racial] sources. The cinematic was great, she dove through the construct, tearing it in two with her insane damage.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of how she did it - SHE DID DO IT. All by herself, without any help from me. And all the while I was playing backup to HER. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, or think some special gimmick occured - which it didn't. What DOES matter is that the fighter very clearly was not relegated to carrying my luggage. She was a very essential member of the party and immensely powerful. If I had asked her to carry my loot then chances are she would have rend me in two as well. I can understand play experiences clearly vary. The point is that fighters are not simply one roll and that they are not a caster's minion on the field. The argument is false and will continue to be false by the sheer fact that this example does exist and there was nothing I could have done to suppress it, nor would I have wanted to.</p><p>(Oh and this conversation is completely separate from the fighter/defender one I am having too.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 5908585, member: 95493"] But as I have posted repeatedly, I -THE CASTER- did nothing to assist her in any way in that fight. I was helping the rogue(he had prestiges in there) do insane levels of damage but I did nothing to assist the fighter. As for 1 - nope. Everything ALL characters had were very much legal and not created by the DM. None of us had artifacts in any way actually, just high level gear from the DMG and a few minor items from the epic level handbook. For 2 - nope. She was really powerful. My example of her one rounding the construct is just a very clear example. She was invaluable throughout the campaign. Once again, throughout the campaign, I would boost myself and the rogue but rarely the fighter. The fighter needed healing as much or more than the others but that was about it. For 3 - Once again, strike (third so you are out) - Nope. She did a divebomb as I recall. By that level we could all fly, without any need for the spell due to wings either in item form or from natural [racial] sources. The cinematic was great, she dove through the construct, tearing it in two with her insane damage. Regardless of how she did it - SHE DID DO IT. All by herself, without any help from me. And all the while I was playing backup to HER. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, or think some special gimmick occured - which it didn't. What DOES matter is that the fighter very clearly was not relegated to carrying my luggage. She was a very essential member of the party and immensely powerful. If I had asked her to carry my loot then chances are she would have rend me in two as well. I can understand play experiences clearly vary. The point is that fighters are not simply one roll and that they are not a caster's minion on the field. The argument is false and will continue to be false by the sheer fact that this example does exist and there was nothing I could have done to suppress it, nor would I have wanted to. (Oh and this conversation is completely separate from the fighter/defender one I am having too.) [/QUOTE]
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