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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7265010" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Just to add fuel to the fires, <a href="http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2009/12/1972-gygax-article.html" target="_blank">this article from 1972 penned by Gygax</a>. </p><p></p><p>And for some more fuel...</p><p></p><p>Dave Arneson’s Blackmoor and the Judges Guild’s City State of the Invincible Overlord both had a lot of connections to Middle Earth</p><p></p><p>Finally, consider Chainmail. Here is the note for the fantasy section of chainmail and note they only mention Tolkein and Howard, with Tokien mentioned first:</p><p></p><p>"Most of the fantastic battles related in novels more closely resemble medieval warfare than they do earlier or later forms of combat. Because of this we are including a brief set of rules which will allow the medieval miniatures wargamer to add a new facet to his hobby, <strong>and either refight the epic struggles related by J. R. R. Tolkien</strong>, Robert E. Howard, and other fantasy writers; or you can devise your own "world," and conduct fantastic campaigns and conflicts based on it. "</p><p></p><p>Second, this is the entire list of all the creatures listed:</p><p></p><p><strong>Hobbits</strong>, sprites, <strong>Dwarves</strong>, gnomes, <strong>goblins</strong>, kobolds, <strong>Elves</strong>, fairies, <strong>orcs</strong>, <strong>Balrogs</strong>, ogres, <strong>trolls</strong>, Djinn, dragons, efreet, elementals, <strong>ents</strong>, <strong>giants</strong>, <strong>rocs</strong>, <strong>ghouls</strong>, heroes (including anti-heroes and super-heroes of the "Conan" type), <strong>shape changers</strong>, <strong>wights</strong>, <strong>wizards</strong>, <strong>wraiths (including Nazgul</strong>). </p><p></p><p>Some of that list is just listed as a parenthetical to something else. For example, gnomes are part of Dwarves. Pixies part of Sprites. Kobolds part of Goblins. Fairies as part of Elves. Nazgul as part of Wraiths. Cockatrice as part of Basilisk. Shape Changers as part of Lycanthropes. Griffons, Hippogriffs, and Wyverns are all part of Chimera. Ghouls part of Wights. Ogres as part of Trolls. So as you can see, once you actually look at the separate entries, it's a rather short list. And Tolkien-specific creatures make up a meaningful part of that list.</p><p></p><p>Now take a look at <a href="http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2016/01/a-precursor-to-chainmail-fantasy.html" target="_blank">Leonard Patt's two page fantasy rules in the Courier</a>, which are <a href="http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2016/01/a-precursor-to-chainmail-fantasy.html" target="_blank">unquestionable a heavy influence on Chainmail</a>. Yes, that's right, they're rules to re-create LOTR.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7265010, member: 2525"] Just to add fuel to the fires, [URL="http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2009/12/1972-gygax-article.html"]this article from 1972 penned by Gygax[/URL]. And for some more fuel... Dave Arneson’s Blackmoor and the Judges Guild’s City State of the Invincible Overlord both had a lot of connections to Middle Earth Finally, consider Chainmail. Here is the note for the fantasy section of chainmail and note they only mention Tolkein and Howard, with Tokien mentioned first: "Most of the fantastic battles related in novels more closely resemble medieval warfare than they do earlier or later forms of combat. Because of this we are including a brief set of rules which will allow the medieval miniatures wargamer to add a new facet to his hobby, [B]and either refight the epic struggles related by J. R. R. Tolkien[/B], Robert E. Howard, and other fantasy writers; or you can devise your own "world," and conduct fantastic campaigns and conflicts based on it. " Second, this is the entire list of all the creatures listed: [B]Hobbits[/B], sprites, [B]Dwarves[/B], gnomes, [B]goblins[/B], kobolds, [B]Elves[/B], fairies, [B]orcs[/B], [B]Balrogs[/B], ogres, [B]trolls[/B], Djinn, dragons, efreet, elementals, [B]ents[/B], [B]giants[/B], [B]rocs[/B], [B]ghouls[/B], heroes (including anti-heroes and super-heroes of the "Conan" type), [B]shape changers[/B], [B]wights[/B], [B]wizards[/B], [B]wraiths (including Nazgul[/B]). Some of that list is just listed as a parenthetical to something else. For example, gnomes are part of Dwarves. Pixies part of Sprites. Kobolds part of Goblins. Fairies as part of Elves. Nazgul as part of Wraiths. Cockatrice as part of Basilisk. Shape Changers as part of Lycanthropes. Griffons, Hippogriffs, and Wyverns are all part of Chimera. Ghouls part of Wights. Ogres as part of Trolls. So as you can see, once you actually look at the separate entries, it's a rather short list. And Tolkien-specific creatures make up a meaningful part of that list. Now take a look at [URL="http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2016/01/a-precursor-to-chainmail-fantasy.html"]Leonard Patt's two page fantasy rules in the Courier[/URL], which are [URL="http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2016/01/a-precursor-to-chainmail-fantasy.html"]unquestionable a heavy influence on Chainmail[/URL]. Yes, that's right, they're rules to re-create LOTR. [/QUOTE]
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