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Why Did "Solo" and "Rogue One" Feel Like RPG Sessions?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 7750035" data-attributes="member: 57112"><p>I know the thread moved on from this, but there were a couple of important points that didn't really get addressed:</p><p>1) "Incel" is not a label people created for a group of people they don't like just because they hate specific Star Wars or Marvel movies or what have you. It's a distinct community that chose the label for themselves and that has an ideology that is explicitly misogynistic, to the extent that they idolize a mass shooter who specifically targeted women. This is not a group that anybody needs to champion, not even for S&G "devil's advocate" play. </p><p>2) The only group of people I see [MENTION=6943731]dragoner[/MENTION] as having specifically referred to as "incels" were the folks who bullied and harassed Kelly Marie Tran off of Instagram. Given that the Incel community took credit for and congratulated themselves for this feat (having already chased Daisy Ridley off of social media earlier), I don't really think that it was any sort of out-of-left-field reference.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you're definitely right about the YA-fiction tropes; as someone who's read a few YA fantasy books (and whose partner devours them constantly) there's a ton of those tropes at play in the new trilogy (<em>especially</em> all the Rey/Rylo stuff in TLJ). Then again, as someone else pointed out, a lot of those tropes have their genesis in Campbell and "Thousand Faces", so it's not like those are necessarily out of place. But just as I recognize that Young Adult Me was not the target audience for Eps I-III; I also recognize that Mid-30's Neckbeard Me is not necessarily the target audience for Eps VII-IX.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 7750035, member: 57112"] I know the thread moved on from this, but there were a couple of important points that didn't really get addressed: 1) "Incel" is not a label people created for a group of people they don't like just because they hate specific Star Wars or Marvel movies or what have you. It's a distinct community that chose the label for themselves and that has an ideology that is explicitly misogynistic, to the extent that they idolize a mass shooter who specifically targeted women. This is not a group that anybody needs to champion, not even for S&G "devil's advocate" play. 2) The only group of people I see [MENTION=6943731]dragoner[/MENTION] as having specifically referred to as "incels" were the folks who bullied and harassed Kelly Marie Tran off of Instagram. Given that the Incel community took credit for and congratulated themselves for this feat (having already chased Daisy Ridley off of social media earlier), I don't really think that it was any sort of out-of-left-field reference. I think you're definitely right about the YA-fiction tropes; as someone who's read a few YA fantasy books (and whose partner devours them constantly) there's a ton of those tropes at play in the new trilogy ([I]especially[/I] all the Rey/Rylo stuff in TLJ). Then again, as someone else pointed out, a lot of those tropes have their genesis in Campbell and "Thousand Faces", so it's not like those are necessarily out of place. But just as I recognize that Young Adult Me was not the target audience for Eps I-III; I also recognize that Mid-30's Neckbeard Me is not necessarily the target audience for Eps VII-IX. [/QUOTE]
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