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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 7750451"><p>Most people have no idea what a "Mary Sue" actually is. It's just another attack word, they might as well be calling Rey a "communist". </p><p></p><p>Mary Sues typically conform to the following, and I highly recommend people read the <a href="http://tvtropes.org/g00/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommonMarySueTraits?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=1" target="_blank">TV Tropes article on the subject</a>.</p><p><strong>Unique or strange birth/upbringing/parental circumstances.</strong></p><p>-We all know this character at our tables right? The one with the family who was murdered horribly right before their eyes but somehow this young child managed to escape and now is terribly moody and vengeful 24/7.</p><p>-All of the main characters fall into this category in some way or another. Anakin was a "virgin birth". Luke's father is Vader and his family was murdered horribly. Rey's parents abandoned her and were "nobody" (which is unique in a Star Wars sense, though I find Kylo's answer suspect). </p><p></p><p><strong>Center of prophecy.</strong></p><p>-This one is kinda a tossup for Star Wars. Star Wars relies on the "Chosen One" element as a storytelling device. So it's not surprising that Anakin, Luke or Rey would fall into it. It sort of has its ups and downs and depends on how much it plays into other areas of the story. </p><p></p><p><strong>An a-typical appearance for a member of their group. Strange clothing. Weird hair styles/colors. Funny eye-colors/configurations.</strong></p><p>-None of the "main characters" (Luke, Rey, Anakin) really fall into this category. </p><p>--Names also fall into this category and remember that Lucas originally wanted to call Anakin "Bendak Starkiller". </p><p></p><p><strong>Access to powers nobody else has. Access to greater levels of power nobody else has. Access and control over these powers at a younger age than their peers.</strong></p><p>-Luke, Anakin and Rey can all fall into this category to some degree. But this is also part of the Star Wars story. Rey, Anakin and Luke were all exemplars of "the Force" at work. Comparably, other Jedi may have been superior in other areas by virtue of their extensive training, age, communion with the Force, or other reasons; but fundamentally Anakin, Luke and Rey all have an "easier time" at these things for the same reason. You can no more hold Rey's immense ability with the Force against her than you can against Anakin. </p><p></p><p><strong>An appearance that does not match their actual age.</strong></p><p>-(Wolverine says hi!) None of the main characters really fall into this category.</p><p></p><p><strong>Incredible success at everything they do and a lack of definite setbacks.</strong></p><p>-Again, all the main characters can fall into this category. Though Anakin is probably the worst offender.</p><p>-While a Mary Sue may have to rethink their strategy, fundamentally, they always achieve what they want to do. This is problematic in Star Wars from an epic fantasy storytelling POV. Rey is one of the "good guys", and in Star Wars, the good guys face insurmountable odds...but they always win. (Though Revenge of the Sith could be seen as the good guys losing, both in the sense of the Jedi being defeated and Anakin getting up-close-and-personal with lava).</p><p>--This category has lots of subcategories. The target of the Mary Sue's affections always seems to fall for them, even against all reason (Padme says hi!). People seemingly do whatever the Mary Sue says, again for no apparent reason, and often against better logic. Consider the Jedi Council's objection to training Anakin, but then them folding over when Obi-Wan said he's gonna train Anakin anyway. From a story perspective, this can be seen as the Mary Sue getting their way, even though Anakin wasn't real sure on the whole "becoming a Jedi" thing. Among other sub categories.</p><p>--The basic commonality here is that these things happen to the benefit of the main character for *no good reason* and often for bad reasons, or for reasons that are never explained at all!</p><p></p><p></p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p>Fundamentally, I don't really see the objection to Rey above and beyond Luke or Anakin.</p><p></p><p>Maybe she just needs to lose a hand?</p><p></p><p>*insert Captain Hook joke*</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 7750451"] Most people have no idea what a "Mary Sue" actually is. It's just another attack word, they might as well be calling Rey a "communist". Mary Sues typically conform to the following, and I highly recommend people read the [URL="http://tvtropes.org/g00/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommonMarySueTraits?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=1"]TV Tropes article on the subject[/URL]. [b]Unique or strange birth/upbringing/parental circumstances.[/b] -We all know this character at our tables right? The one with the family who was murdered horribly right before their eyes but somehow this young child managed to escape and now is terribly moody and vengeful 24/7. -All of the main characters fall into this category in some way or another. Anakin was a "virgin birth". Luke's father is Vader and his family was murdered horribly. Rey's parents abandoned her and were "nobody" (which is unique in a Star Wars sense, though I find Kylo's answer suspect). [B]Center of prophecy.[/B] -This one is kinda a tossup for Star Wars. Star Wars relies on the "Chosen One" element as a storytelling device. So it's not surprising that Anakin, Luke or Rey would fall into it. It sort of has its ups and downs and depends on how much it plays into other areas of the story. [B]An a-typical appearance for a member of their group. Strange clothing. Weird hair styles/colors. Funny eye-colors/configurations.[/B] -None of the "main characters" (Luke, Rey, Anakin) really fall into this category. --Names also fall into this category and remember that Lucas originally wanted to call Anakin "Bendak Starkiller". [B]Access to powers nobody else has. Access to greater levels of power nobody else has. Access and control over these powers at a younger age than their peers.[/B] -Luke, Anakin and Rey can all fall into this category to some degree. But this is also part of the Star Wars story. Rey, Anakin and Luke were all exemplars of "the Force" at work. Comparably, other Jedi may have been superior in other areas by virtue of their extensive training, age, communion with the Force, or other reasons; but fundamentally Anakin, Luke and Rey all have an "easier time" at these things for the same reason. You can no more hold Rey's immense ability with the Force against her than you can against Anakin. [B]An appearance that does not match their actual age.[/B] -(Wolverine says hi!) None of the main characters really fall into this category. [B]Incredible success at everything they do and a lack of definite setbacks.[/B] -Again, all the main characters can fall into this category. Though Anakin is probably the worst offender. -While a Mary Sue may have to rethink their strategy, fundamentally, they always achieve what they want to do. This is problematic in Star Wars from an epic fantasy storytelling POV. Rey is one of the "good guys", and in Star Wars, the good guys face insurmountable odds...but they always win. (Though Revenge of the Sith could be seen as the good guys losing, both in the sense of the Jedi being defeated and Anakin getting up-close-and-personal with lava). --This category has lots of subcategories. The target of the Mary Sue's affections always seems to fall for them, even against all reason (Padme says hi!). People seemingly do whatever the Mary Sue says, again for no apparent reason, and often against better logic. Consider the Jedi Council's objection to training Anakin, but then them folding over when Obi-Wan said he's gonna train Anakin anyway. From a story perspective, this can be seen as the Mary Sue getting their way, even though Anakin wasn't real sure on the whole "becoming a Jedi" thing. Among other sub categories. --The basic commonality here is that these things happen to the benefit of the main character for *no good reason* and often for bad reasons, or for reasons that are never explained at all! ----------------------------------------------------------- Fundamentally, I don't really see the objection to Rey above and beyond Luke or Anakin. Maybe she just needs to lose a hand? *insert Captain Hook joke* [/QUOTE]
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