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Why does the idea of no Free Will bother some people?
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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6048169" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>Maybe. It is my personal guess (not a science fact, just a personal guess) that having mental processes have *some* QM dependency is required for free will, but may not be sufficient.</p><p></p><p>The action of quantum computers is not necessarily any less deterministic than that of a digital computer. It is just that they process information differently, allowing them to perform certain calculations more quickly than a digital computer can. But the two will still come up with the same answer - the difference is just a matter of when.</p><p></p><p>Now, here's where interpretation of QM comes in. Remember <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat" target="_blank">Schrödinger's cat</a>? The cat is in the box, and it is *both* alive and dead, until someone goes to look at it, and then its choice of state is made?</p><p></p><p>The typical interpretation is that the observer has a special quality - the ability to cause the quantum wave function to collapse from a wide range of possibilities to one single reality. Reality as a single thing only crops up when you have some entity capable of perception entering the picture.</p><p></p><p>For hundreds (I think thousands) of years, humans have posited that free will, as such, depends upon being "self aware" - you cannot have a will if you don't have some concept of a self separate from the rest of the universe. To be aware of the self, you must of course, be able to perceive the self. </p><p></p><p>And now you can probably see where I am going - free will then comes in as being able to collapse the QM waveform of your own mind!</p><p></p><p>I hope that is sufficiently scientifically mumbo-jumbo for everyone concerned <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6048169, member: 177"] Maybe. It is my personal guess (not a science fact, just a personal guess) that having mental processes have *some* QM dependency is required for free will, but may not be sufficient. The action of quantum computers is not necessarily any less deterministic than that of a digital computer. It is just that they process information differently, allowing them to perform certain calculations more quickly than a digital computer can. But the two will still come up with the same answer - the difference is just a matter of when. Now, here's where interpretation of QM comes in. Remember [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat]Schrödinger's cat[/url]? The cat is in the box, and it is *both* alive and dead, until someone goes to look at it, and then its choice of state is made? The typical interpretation is that the observer has a special quality - the ability to cause the quantum wave function to collapse from a wide range of possibilities to one single reality. Reality as a single thing only crops up when you have some entity capable of perception entering the picture. For hundreds (I think thousands) of years, humans have posited that free will, as such, depends upon being "self aware" - you cannot have a will if you don't have some concept of a self separate from the rest of the universe. To be aware of the self, you must of course, be able to perceive the self. And now you can probably see where I am going - free will then comes in as being able to collapse the QM waveform of your own mind! I hope that is sufficiently scientifically mumbo-jumbo for everyone concerned :p [/QUOTE]
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