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<blockquote data-quote="Aaron L" data-source="post: 6048495" data-attributes="member: 926"><p>HA! Rad.</p><p></p><p>As an aside, even cats and dogs and cows and sheeps and fishies are sentient; sentience is the quality of having senses. That's why I personally prefer the term sapience for human level self-reflective intelligence. I just think it's more precise. But I won't nitpick. </p><p></p><p>I am absolutely loving this discussion. Philosophy, psychology, and quantum physics. The perfect mix. Where the three meet, is where Weird Science begins! Free will as an effect of our self-reflective mind observing itself and collapsing its own wave function. I love it.</p><p></p><p>Umbran, with regard to what you said, does that just mean that quantum waveforms automatically collapse once things move from the quantum scale to the macro scale? </p><p></p><p>Because, like you said, always requiring an outside observer would essentially require sentient minds to exist in order for the universe to exist as anything other than a lot of uncollapsed waveforms and vague probabilities... but if the unobserved universe only existed as uncollapsed waveforms and probabilities instead of a definite reality, how could sentient minds have come about? </p><p></p><p>Unless one wanted to posit the idea of a God existing as a universal observer to collapse the wavefunction of the universe, which I find problematic.</p><p></p><p>(Waveform? Wave Function? Am I getting terms mixed up?)</p><p></p><p>I hope that made sense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aaron L, post: 6048495, member: 926"] HA! Rad. As an aside, even cats and dogs and cows and sheeps and fishies are sentient; sentience is the quality of having senses. That's why I personally prefer the term sapience for human level self-reflective intelligence. I just think it's more precise. But I won't nitpick. I am absolutely loving this discussion. Philosophy, psychology, and quantum physics. The perfect mix. Where the three meet, is where Weird Science begins! Free will as an effect of our self-reflective mind observing itself and collapsing its own wave function. I love it. Umbran, with regard to what you said, does that just mean that quantum waveforms automatically collapse once things move from the quantum scale to the macro scale? Because, like you said, always requiring an outside observer would essentially require sentient minds to exist in order for the universe to exist as anything other than a lot of uncollapsed waveforms and vague probabilities... but if the unobserved universe only existed as uncollapsed waveforms and probabilities instead of a definite reality, how could sentient minds have come about? Unless one wanted to posit the idea of a God existing as a universal observer to collapse the wavefunction of the universe, which I find problematic. (Waveform? Wave Function? Am I getting terms mixed up?) I hope that made sense. [/QUOTE]
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