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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7295717" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>First of all, before I actually answer the question, how many professional poets do you know? Even if all poets were bards, you wouldn't expect the society to support a great many of them. Moreover, being a bard is more demanding than being a poet. Maybe many poets just don't want to go to the trouble to learn to use a sword, cast spells, and so forth - they just want to write poems. The same basic logic applies to architects. How many professional architects existed in all of Europe in say the year 1250. Not that many. Even if every architect was a wizard, there wouldn't be many wizards. But, most architects would probably prefer to focus their studies on being an architect and not distract themselves with learning how to wield a staff in combat and cast spells. All of that time they spend learning spells distracts from being a professional architect. Likewise, not all members of the laity necessarily have what it takes to be part of the clergy, nor for that matter is it necessarily the case that the formal structure of the religion needs only clerics. Deities are particular. They may for example only except as initiate virgin females, which means that if you want to serve the deity in a formal capacity and are male, being a clergy is not an option. Someone has to guard the temple, protect pilgrims, sweep the floors, keep the books, play the musical instruments, and whatever outreach that the temple engages in. Cleric might not be the optimal choice for any of those things. Even if you technically meet the requirements, as a practical matter the clergy might be limited to demonstrating 15 Wisdom and 13 Charisma (as established by tests and interviews), so if you have a desire to serve and 12 Wisdom or 10 Charisma, chances are you end up in some other capacity. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not necessarily. Architects for example design buildings, and usually leave it up to tradesmen to actually build them. So there might be wizard contractors that specialize in building magic that an architect hires, and it behooves the architect to know what sort of things you can do with magic, but being a wizard doesn't necessarily give you ranks in Knowledge(Architecture & Engineering) or Craft(Masonry) or any of the actual skills. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Assuming he doesn't die (or worse) and that he's actually well equipped to do that sort of thing, then yes, perhaps he would benefit in the same way that PC's that survive to retire benefit. But if he's a Str 8, Dex 5, Con 9, Int 14, Wis 11, Chr 12 sort (10.5 is average!), an adventuring career probably isn't recommended - though nothing might prevent him from being a very successful architect.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Presumably, yes you can. As a practical matter, if leveling up only depended on murder, there wouldn't be enough XP to support the demographics observed in D&D. Everyone would have to be dead, sacrificed to level up the few in a self-defeating social death spiral.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A ton of them, but to start with, to understand how I understand my game world, it probably is necessary to start looking at the rules I've put in place to answer your question. Because fundamentally, what I see you asking is, "Why isn't everyone PC classed?" And the answer IMC is twofold: there are minimum requirements to enter PC classes, and PC classes are optimal for living a heroic life, but are suboptimal for living a non-heroic one. If you don't want to go on quests and face hazards and horrors, and instead want to face the challenges of ordinary life, you actually have better options.</p><p></p><p>See for example this thread:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?479690-Playing-Like-Celebrim-NPC-Classes" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?479690-Playing-Like-Celebrim-NPC-Classes</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7295717, member: 4937"] First of all, before I actually answer the question, how many professional poets do you know? Even if all poets were bards, you wouldn't expect the society to support a great many of them. Moreover, being a bard is more demanding than being a poet. Maybe many poets just don't want to go to the trouble to learn to use a sword, cast spells, and so forth - they just want to write poems. The same basic logic applies to architects. How many professional architects existed in all of Europe in say the year 1250. Not that many. Even if every architect was a wizard, there wouldn't be many wizards. But, most architects would probably prefer to focus their studies on being an architect and not distract themselves with learning how to wield a staff in combat and cast spells. All of that time they spend learning spells distracts from being a professional architect. Likewise, not all members of the laity necessarily have what it takes to be part of the clergy, nor for that matter is it necessarily the case that the formal structure of the religion needs only clerics. Deities are particular. They may for example only except as initiate virgin females, which means that if you want to serve the deity in a formal capacity and are male, being a clergy is not an option. Someone has to guard the temple, protect pilgrims, sweep the floors, keep the books, play the musical instruments, and whatever outreach that the temple engages in. Cleric might not be the optimal choice for any of those things. Even if you technically meet the requirements, as a practical matter the clergy might be limited to demonstrating 15 Wisdom and 13 Charisma (as established by tests and interviews), so if you have a desire to serve and 12 Wisdom or 10 Charisma, chances are you end up in some other capacity. Not necessarily. Architects for example design buildings, and usually leave it up to tradesmen to actually build them. So there might be wizard contractors that specialize in building magic that an architect hires, and it behooves the architect to know what sort of things you can do with magic, but being a wizard doesn't necessarily give you ranks in Knowledge(Architecture & Engineering) or Craft(Masonry) or any of the actual skills. Assuming he doesn't die (or worse) and that he's actually well equipped to do that sort of thing, then yes, perhaps he would benefit in the same way that PC's that survive to retire benefit. But if he's a Str 8, Dex 5, Con 9, Int 14, Wis 11, Chr 12 sort (10.5 is average!), an adventuring career probably isn't recommended - though nothing might prevent him from being a very successful architect. Presumably, yes you can. As a practical matter, if leveling up only depended on murder, there wouldn't be enough XP to support the demographics observed in D&D. Everyone would have to be dead, sacrificed to level up the few in a self-defeating social death spiral. A ton of them, but to start with, to understand how I understand my game world, it probably is necessary to start looking at the rules I've put in place to answer your question. Because fundamentally, what I see you asking is, "Why isn't everyone PC classed?" And the answer IMC is twofold: there are minimum requirements to enter PC classes, and PC classes are optimal for living a heroic life, but are suboptimal for living a non-heroic one. If you don't want to go on quests and face hazards and horrors, and instead want to face the challenges of ordinary life, you actually have better options. See for example this thread: [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?479690-Playing-Like-Celebrim-NPC-Classes[/url] [/QUOTE]
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