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With Respect to the Door and Expectations....The REAL Reason 5e Can't Unite the Base
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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5977148" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>I'm sorry. Can I just check where you are arguing the constraints are and can I check where you are arguing the balance is?</p><p></p><p>Because 3e has more constraints than <em>any</em> other version of D&D. There's a skill needed to <em>Use Rope</em>. Most PCs are very unskilled in most things - this is not true in any other edition of D&D. In AD&D most things are stat rolls, and in 4e most things are d20 + half level + stat - and breadth of skills is possible.</p><p></p><p>3e is also worse balanced than any version of D&D even before Unearthed Arcana brought the fighters into the picture. 4e is much better balanced than 3e. And nothing in 2e or post-UA 1e can replace the fighter. (OK, so the 1e monk is a waste of space). The Weapon Specialisation Fighter kicks arse and takes names - and has the highest saving throws of all. The most broken spells (Polymorph) had a chance of killing the recipient. The game effectively soft-capped at level 10 or so.</p><p></p><p>What 3e had was one way of blowing the constraints out of the water. Magic. If your problem is that 4e doesn't have enough ways of blowing the constraints out of the water then you may have a point. But if the wizards are going to play Exalted (or, I believe, be significantly faster and stronger at magic than Exalted casters), then so should the fighters.</p><p></p><p>Also who says constraints aren't fun? If I didn't want constraints to work with and against <em>I wouldn't be using rules</em>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5977148, member: 87792"] I'm sorry. Can I just check where you are arguing the constraints are and can I check where you are arguing the balance is? Because 3e has more constraints than [I]any[/I] other version of D&D. There's a skill needed to [I]Use Rope[/I]. Most PCs are very unskilled in most things - this is not true in any other edition of D&D. In AD&D most things are stat rolls, and in 4e most things are d20 + half level + stat - and breadth of skills is possible. 3e is also worse balanced than any version of D&D even before Unearthed Arcana brought the fighters into the picture. 4e is much better balanced than 3e. And nothing in 2e or post-UA 1e can replace the fighter. (OK, so the 1e monk is a waste of space). The Weapon Specialisation Fighter kicks arse and takes names - and has the highest saving throws of all. The most broken spells (Polymorph) had a chance of killing the recipient. The game effectively soft-capped at level 10 or so. What 3e had was one way of blowing the constraints out of the water. Magic. If your problem is that 4e doesn't have enough ways of blowing the constraints out of the water then you may have a point. But if the wizards are going to play Exalted (or, I believe, be significantly faster and stronger at magic than Exalted casters), then so should the fighters. Also who says constraints aren't fun? If I didn't want constraints to work with and against [I]I wouldn't be using rules[/I]. [/QUOTE]
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