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With Respect to the Door and Expectations....The REAL Reason 5e Can't Unite the Base
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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 5977360" data-attributes="member: 32536"><p>If you think the current version is a compromise, then you clearly don't know what 4E fans what. Which is kinda the whole point of what 4E fans are complaining about. 5E hasn't actually achieved any of the major goals of 4E, and thus is a "compromise" that completely fails to bring in large numbers of existing D&D players. A "compromise" that fails to bring agreement isn't a compromise at all, its just a failure at best, or an ultimatum at worst.</p><p></p><p>Compromise can only happen once both sides listen to each other and strike a deal satisfactory to both parties. If one side is still complaining, then it's pretty clear that a compromise hasn't been made yet.</p><p></p><p>So it's "you can play what you want, but don't ask WotC to make a game for you and ruin it for me," huh? How on earth is that an attempt to compromise?</p><p></p><p>It's pretty clear that all of your talk of "compromise" is just hot air. You make it sound like you want a game suited for you and you alone, want to dress that up as "the best path for the game", and just want people with different opinions to shut up. Sorry, I'm not going to oblige that.</p><p></p><p>Also, what's with this "want 5E to succeed" stuff? I've never wished for 5E to fail. I want to see 5E succeed at its goal of unifying everyone. I just think that the chances of it actually doing so are pretty slim.</p><p></p><p>Revenge? What on earth? Who, exactly, is looking for <em>revenge</em> on WotC? Where did you come up with this kind of ridiculous and insulting idea?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 5977360, member: 32536"] If you think the current version is a compromise, then you clearly don't know what 4E fans what. Which is kinda the whole point of what 4E fans are complaining about. 5E hasn't actually achieved any of the major goals of 4E, and thus is a "compromise" that completely fails to bring in large numbers of existing D&D players. A "compromise" that fails to bring agreement isn't a compromise at all, its just a failure at best, or an ultimatum at worst. Compromise can only happen once both sides listen to each other and strike a deal satisfactory to both parties. If one side is still complaining, then it's pretty clear that a compromise hasn't been made yet. So it's "you can play what you want, but don't ask WotC to make a game for you and ruin it for me," huh? How on earth is that an attempt to compromise? It's pretty clear that all of your talk of "compromise" is just hot air. You make it sound like you want a game suited for you and you alone, want to dress that up as "the best path for the game", and just want people with different opinions to shut up. Sorry, I'm not going to oblige that. Also, what's with this "want 5E to succeed" stuff? I've never wished for 5E to fail. I want to see 5E succeed at its goal of unifying everyone. I just think that the chances of it actually doing so are pretty slim. Revenge? What on earth? Who, exactly, is looking for [i]revenge[/i] on WotC? Where did you come up with this kind of ridiculous and insulting idea? [/QUOTE]
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