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With Respect to the Door and Expectations....The REAL Reason 5e Can't Unite the Base
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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 5977401" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>It's not. </p><p>Someone once told me "Compromise can only happen once both sides listen to each other and strike a deal satisfactory to both parties." So if one party has made it clear they do not wish to compromise, then any further attempt to compromise is a waste of time. </p><p>So you move on to people who <em>are</em> willing to compromise and listen and share. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I will be very, very disappointed with WotC if 5e is just for me. I'm not expecting my perfect game. I want it to provide me the tools and options to <em>make</em> my perfect game, while also providing tools and options for others to make their perfect game that is completely and totally different from my perfect game.</p><p></p><p>I want those with different opinions who are willing to buy into the concept of a modular shareable game to share those opinions, to make the game better. It's a big tent game and we need many voices. </p><p>It's only the people unwilling to join us in a shared, moduar, customizable game I want to stop bringing us down. </p><p></p><p>4e was a good many things, but unifying was not one of them. There needs to be a step back. Moving forward from 4e to 4e evolved (despite already being tried and called "Essentials") would have just divided 4e's audience and not attracted many old players. Like any franchise, be it comics or movie or fiction, when the audience shrinks and splinters there needs to be a return to basics and the franchise's roots. That's just the way it is. </p><p>The only franchise I can think of as an example right now is Batman, which has gone "back to basics" in movie form twice and comics four or so times. But that's not a good example as it equates 4e with <em>Batman & Robin</em> and even the most fanatical 4e hater wouldn't go THAT far.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I was just riffing off the quote. It's metaphorical revenge, not literal. If someone's unhappy with losing D&D to a retro-inspired edition then the best thing to do is keep playing the game they like, as many have done before.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 5977401, member: 37579"] It's not. Someone once told me "Compromise can only happen once both sides listen to each other and strike a deal satisfactory to both parties." So if one party has made it clear they do not wish to compromise, then any further attempt to compromise is a waste of time. So you move on to people who [I]are[/I] willing to compromise and listen and share. I will be very, very disappointed with WotC if 5e is just for me. I'm not expecting my perfect game. I want it to provide me the tools and options to [I]make[/I] my perfect game, while also providing tools and options for others to make their perfect game that is completely and totally different from my perfect game. I want those with different opinions who are willing to buy into the concept of a modular shareable game to share those opinions, to make the game better. It's a big tent game and we need many voices. It's only the people unwilling to join us in a shared, moduar, customizable game I want to stop bringing us down. 4e was a good many things, but unifying was not one of them. There needs to be a step back. Moving forward from 4e to 4e evolved (despite already being tried and called "Essentials") would have just divided 4e's audience and not attracted many old players. Like any franchise, be it comics or movie or fiction, when the audience shrinks and splinters there needs to be a return to basics and the franchise's roots. That's just the way it is. The only franchise I can think of as an example right now is Batman, which has gone "back to basics" in movie form twice and comics four or so times. But that's not a good example as it equates 4e with [I]Batman & Robin[/I] and even the most fanatical 4e hater wouldn't go THAT far. I was just riffing off the quote. It's metaphorical revenge, not literal. If someone's unhappy with losing D&D to a retro-inspired edition then the best thing to do is keep playing the game they like, as many have done before. [/QUOTE]
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