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With Respect to the Door and Expectations....The REAL Reason 5e Can't Unite the Base
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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 5978730" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>1) What I had in mind is what you had in mind (and is precisely what I did in a chase scene that I executed). However, I've hacked my skill challenges to let my PCs author a failed or succeeded check upon their request so this could have (but wasn't in this case) been PC authorship. I prefer to say "yes" whenever my PCs wish to enter author stance and move the fiction in a genre relevant fashion within Skill Challenges (within the confines of constraints which they are well aware of and have been explicated). It didn't happen terribly often but when it did the collective experience was better for it.</p><p></p><p>2) My main problem with the idea of a "quantum state" within unactualized fiction is straight-forward. The multi-iterated, unactualized fiction does not exist within the real world and therefore quantum theory and the theory of relativity do not apply. They are figments or mind apparitions not composed of quantum particles. The thought experiment of Shroedinger's Cat is illuminating because the construct can, and does in one fashion or another, exist in the real world in which subatomic particles are governed by quantum theory. For one to use the term "quantum state" to define multi-iterated, unactualized fiction seems to presuppose that the neurological manifestation of thoughts/figments is ruled by "quantum theory" (therefore all unactualized, fictional extrapolations, nonsense or not, exist in a "quantum state") and then goes one further to presuppose that every fictional world's physics are ruled by the theory of relativity and quantum theory. I don't know. I'm just very uncomfortable with stretching a term that is specifically used to describe real world physics at a sub-atomic level which has yet to be quantized in such a way. Reminds me of open-ended Divinations <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, to the contrary, you can easily understand how someone with great understanding of the local topography can get turned around in a moment of stress such as a life or death chase (I get lost in St Pete when I'm stressed about traffic, or trying to find a shortcut, all the time and I've lived here for 25 years!). Further, you can easily use this fictional adversity/decision-point in a creative fashion as a means to express the character's "Knowledge Local Geography" muscles. </p><p></p><p>- The gorge appears over the ridge while pursuit is closing (Perhaps the character knew about the gorge but in the midst of trying to dodge arrows or steer the horse around dangerous impediments, he missed the subtle trail mark to find the narrow, hidden land-bridge). </p><p>- What to do now? </p><p>- Attempt to jump the far-reaching gap on the horse? </p><p>- Attempt to bluff the pursuit by stacking your pack and saddlebags in the saddle (to look like a rider) and slap the horse on its flanks so it gallops parallel to the gorge and hope the pursuit follows (then climb down)?</p><p>- Perhaps you know the terrain quite well and now that you're off your horse, catching your breath and in dire straights, you take inventory of your location. Perhaps...your intense knowledge of the terrain, or geology in general, allows you to know of/find a sinkhole that runs to an underground river the crosses beneath the canyon? Or maybe you know of a precarious switchback that leads down to the base of the canyon...to a cave complex that runs deep into the forest where you need to end up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 5978730, member: 6696971"] 1) What I had in mind is what you had in mind (and is precisely what I did in a chase scene that I executed). However, I've hacked my skill challenges to let my PCs author a failed or succeeded check upon their request so this could have (but wasn't in this case) been PC authorship. I prefer to say "yes" whenever my PCs wish to enter author stance and move the fiction in a genre relevant fashion within Skill Challenges (within the confines of constraints which they are well aware of and have been explicated). It didn't happen terribly often but when it did the collective experience was better for it. 2) My main problem with the idea of a "quantum state" within unactualized fiction is straight-forward. The multi-iterated, unactualized fiction does not exist within the real world and therefore quantum theory and the theory of relativity do not apply. They are figments or mind apparitions not composed of quantum particles. The thought experiment of Shroedinger's Cat is illuminating because the construct can, and does in one fashion or another, exist in the real world in which subatomic particles are governed by quantum theory. For one to use the term "quantum state" to define multi-iterated, unactualized fiction seems to presuppose that the neurological manifestation of thoughts/figments is ruled by "quantum theory" (therefore all unactualized, fictional extrapolations, nonsense or not, exist in a "quantum state") and then goes one further to presuppose that every fictional world's physics are ruled by the theory of relativity and quantum theory. I don't know. I'm just very uncomfortable with stretching a term that is specifically used to describe real world physics at a sub-atomic level which has yet to be quantized in such a way. Reminds me of open-ended Divinations ;) Actually, to the contrary, you can easily understand how someone with great understanding of the local topography can get turned around in a moment of stress such as a life or death chase (I get lost in St Pete when I'm stressed about traffic, or trying to find a shortcut, all the time and I've lived here for 25 years!). Further, you can easily use this fictional adversity/decision-point in a creative fashion as a means to express the character's "Knowledge Local Geography" muscles. - The gorge appears over the ridge while pursuit is closing (Perhaps the character knew about the gorge but in the midst of trying to dodge arrows or steer the horse around dangerous impediments, he missed the subtle trail mark to find the narrow, hidden land-bridge). - What to do now? - Attempt to jump the far-reaching gap on the horse? - Attempt to bluff the pursuit by stacking your pack and saddlebags in the saddle (to look like a rider) and slap the horse on its flanks so it gallops parallel to the gorge and hope the pursuit follows (then climb down)? - Perhaps you know the terrain quite well and now that you're off your horse, catching your breath and in dire straights, you take inventory of your location. Perhaps...your intense knowledge of the terrain, or geology in general, allows you to know of/find a sinkhole that runs to an underground river the crosses beneath the canyon? Or maybe you know of a precarious switchback that leads down to the base of the canyon...to a cave complex that runs deep into the forest where you need to end up. [/QUOTE]
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