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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5985808" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>I don't think people who want to play in 1st person have an issue in understanding that some people want to play in 3rd person.... I think one of the big issues with 4e for many people who don't like it is that 4e expects you to jump back and forth from 1st person to 3rd person and I believe for many people that is more immersion breaking and irritating than fun. The fact that the rules and advice of 4e aren't exactly straightforward about when and where the different perspectives should take place is, I think, the main source of irritation... and is understandable.</p><p> </p><p>EDIT: It's like when I sit down to play a FATE game, I know that much of the gameplay requires me to take a 3rd person perspective... the game is upfront about this in it's rules and advice. When I sit down to play 4e... the main perspective is very much dependant upon the precise action or game mechanic that is being used at the moment... and I don't think the rules or advice prepare players particularly well for this PoV shift... especially those that are used to the majority 1st person view of previous editions. On another note, I think a DM with alot of experience ingames with a 3rd person viewpoint can make this transition easier and more enjoyable (as opposed to a DM who has never run them before and is depending on 4e for the totality of his knowledge), which is what I believe posters like pemerton qand manbearcat do... however I think this also tends to make them less aware of how the average D&D player coming from previous editions views 4e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 5985808, member: 48965"] I don't think people who want to play in 1st person have an issue in understanding that some people want to play in 3rd person.... I think one of the big issues with 4e for many people who don't like it is that 4e expects you to jump back and forth from 1st person to 3rd person and I believe for many people that is more immersion breaking and irritating than fun. The fact that the rules and advice of 4e aren't exactly straightforward about when and where the different perspectives should take place is, I think, the main source of irritation... and is understandable. EDIT: It's like when I sit down to play a FATE game, I know that much of the gameplay requires me to take a 3rd person perspective... the game is upfront about this in it's rules and advice. When I sit down to play 4e... the main perspective is very much dependant upon the precise action or game mechanic that is being used at the moment... and I don't think the rules or advice prepare players particularly well for this PoV shift... especially those that are used to the majority 1st person view of previous editions. On another note, I think a DM with alot of experience ingames with a 3rd person viewpoint can make this transition easier and more enjoyable (as opposed to a DM who has never run them before and is depending on 4e for the totality of his knowledge), which is what I believe posters like pemerton qand manbearcat do... however I think this also tends to make them less aware of how the average D&D player coming from previous editions views 4e. [/QUOTE]
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