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<blockquote data-quote="thecasualoblivion" data-source="post: 5985822" data-attributes="member: 59096"><p>I don't see where 4E necessitates the 1st person perspective(and the switching you describe), and further I don't see where earlier editions focus on 1st person play. I have played(and run) D&D as a 3rd person narrative since 1995 playing 2E, and I never found the system to disagree with me on that. In my 4E experience, I've started in 3rd person mode and just stayed there, there was no switching. In my opinion, pre-4E D&D didn't really support either perspective, but at the same time didn't actively interfere with either. Its why I'm confused with people who hold the 1st person perspective to be of the utmost importance fixate themselves on pre-4E D&D, since the system didn't really support that compared to other systems. I also think 4E is very clear on what it is and what perspective it comes from, with the caveat that it might not be clear to people who read it with preconceived notions of D&D that conflict with 4E. </p><p></p><p>The two styles do conflict with each other. We've seen the 1st person complaints in detail in the form of complaints against 4E, but on the other side I find that focus on 1st person narrative interferes with my enjoyment as a 3rd person player in the form of adding cumbersome modeling of realism, taking things far too seriously, and detracting from the experience by focusing too much of the game's energy on things that aren't important.</p><p></p><p>Most importantly, the biggest issue I see is that while earlier editions of D&D didn't truly support 1st person narrative, people have projected their own opinions on to those editions and what they are calling for from 5E as a result goes beyond the reality of those earlier editions and instead is asking for the institution of their own idealized idea of D&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thecasualoblivion, post: 5985822, member: 59096"] I don't see where 4E necessitates the 1st person perspective(and the switching you describe), and further I don't see where earlier editions focus on 1st person play. I have played(and run) D&D as a 3rd person narrative since 1995 playing 2E, and I never found the system to disagree with me on that. In my 4E experience, I've started in 3rd person mode and just stayed there, there was no switching. In my opinion, pre-4E D&D didn't really support either perspective, but at the same time didn't actively interfere with either. Its why I'm confused with people who hold the 1st person perspective to be of the utmost importance fixate themselves on pre-4E D&D, since the system didn't really support that compared to other systems. I also think 4E is very clear on what it is and what perspective it comes from, with the caveat that it might not be clear to people who read it with preconceived notions of D&D that conflict with 4E. The two styles do conflict with each other. We've seen the 1st person complaints in detail in the form of complaints against 4E, but on the other side I find that focus on 1st person narrative interferes with my enjoyment as a 3rd person player in the form of adding cumbersome modeling of realism, taking things far too seriously, and detracting from the experience by focusing too much of the game's energy on things that aren't important. Most importantly, the biggest issue I see is that while earlier editions of D&D didn't truly support 1st person narrative, people have projected their own opinions on to those editions and what they are calling for from 5E as a result goes beyond the reality of those earlier editions and instead is asking for the institution of their own idealized idea of D&D. [/QUOTE]
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