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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 5986633" data-attributes="member: 6698278"><p>It always amazes me that people want to take D&D which has a proud tradition and totally change it. This is basically what 4e did. Why do you care? If D&D was a rotten game all the way till 2008 then you obviously have few ties to it. Wouldn't it be better to just seek out a game that caters to your interests more directly?</p><p></p><p>You see D&D pre-4e did cater to a LOT of peoples tastes. Pathfinder is proof of that if nothing else. And the ridiculous thing people are missing is that 3.5e maybe getting played as much as Pathfinder is getting played. An informal survey of players in my game club of 100 would definitely indicate that.</p><p></p><p>I'm just asking that D&D be D&D. And I've also offered that I'm ok with other styles in addition to the original style. But you seem insistent on wanting the game your way and the abolishment of my way. Well let me tell you that if 5e were just a extension of 4e, then it would fail worse than 4e. 4e got a lot of sales from Pathfinder/3.5e people who didn't realize what they were getting until they'd spent a good bit of money. I'm one of those. I know what to look for now. I won't even buy the 5e players handbook if it's just another 4.5e.</p><p></p><p>Also. These are NOT equivalent. So do not assume they are...</p><p>1. dissociative mechanics.</p><p>2. realism vs cinematic vs cartoonish</p><p>3. abstraction</p><p></p><p>None of the above are related. Something may exhibit all three or none or any one or two. They are not related.</p><p></p><p>I have an issue with <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1" target="_blank">#1</a> but not <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3" target="_blank">#3</a> and some of <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2" target="_blank">#2</a> .</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 5986633, member: 6698278"] It always amazes me that people want to take D&D which has a proud tradition and totally change it. This is basically what 4e did. Why do you care? If D&D was a rotten game all the way till 2008 then you obviously have few ties to it. Wouldn't it be better to just seek out a game that caters to your interests more directly? You see D&D pre-4e did cater to a LOT of peoples tastes. Pathfinder is proof of that if nothing else. And the ridiculous thing people are missing is that 3.5e maybe getting played as much as Pathfinder is getting played. An informal survey of players in my game club of 100 would definitely indicate that. I'm just asking that D&D be D&D. And I've also offered that I'm ok with other styles in addition to the original style. But you seem insistent on wanting the game your way and the abolishment of my way. Well let me tell you that if 5e were just a extension of 4e, then it would fail worse than 4e. 4e got a lot of sales from Pathfinder/3.5e people who didn't realize what they were getting until they'd spent a good bit of money. I'm one of those. I know what to look for now. I won't even buy the 5e players handbook if it's just another 4.5e. Also. These are NOT equivalent. So do not assume they are... 1. dissociative mechanics. 2. realism vs cinematic vs cartoonish 3. abstraction None of the above are related. Something may exhibit all three or none or any one or two. They are not related. I have an issue with [URL=http://www.enworld.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1[/URL] but not [URL=http://www.enworld.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3[/URL] and some of [URL=http://www.enworld.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2[/URL] . [/QUOTE]
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