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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 5987892" data-attributes="member: 6698278"><p>Not really. I was a buyer during that time. So were a ton of people who just hadn't experienced 4e fully. Not all the 4e haters started out that way. I for one was a pro as they come when it first came out.</p><p></p><p></p><p>When I say most or some or many, I mean what I say. But I'm not saying all. Nor am I saying that the majority is always right. I am merely saying from my perspective where I think various factions fall. You can disagree. I base my opinions on WOTC's behavior. You believe they've just went insane. I believe they know their market they've studied what happened with 4e and they've reacted as they always do. During 3e, they heard all the whining about balance and we got 4e. So I admit they are reactive. Sometimes they overreact. So now they are reacting to all the whining about 4e. And in 6e, they will be reacting to all the whining about 5e in all likelihood. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem with his attitude is that a ton of people have all said they see the same thing. Many have written independently about it. My entire blog about plot coupons was written without prior knowledge of any of these articles. To say that we are just prejudiced and have no commonality of thought on this matter really is amazingly ridiculous. And that's what some around here are saying.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am saying that "traditional" D&D (you put in the word true yourself) has been a certain type of game. 4e edition was a completely different playstyle. All I'm arguing for is getting D&D back to it's roots and let it be what D&D has traditionally always been. If possible I'm for being additve and including as many playstyles as possible. If not possible then I'm for D&D sticking with an approach that has kept it on top of the sales market for over twenty years. If not possible though I'm assuming another game could be made (even by WOTC/Hasbro but by others too) that would cater specifically to the 4e crowd.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 5987892, member: 6698278"] Not really. I was a buyer during that time. So were a ton of people who just hadn't experienced 4e fully. Not all the 4e haters started out that way. I for one was a pro as they come when it first came out. When I say most or some or many, I mean what I say. But I'm not saying all. Nor am I saying that the majority is always right. I am merely saying from my perspective where I think various factions fall. You can disagree. I base my opinions on WOTC's behavior. You believe they've just went insane. I believe they know their market they've studied what happened with 4e and they've reacted as they always do. During 3e, they heard all the whining about balance and we got 4e. So I admit they are reactive. Sometimes they overreact. So now they are reacting to all the whining about 4e. And in 6e, they will be reacting to all the whining about 5e in all likelihood. The problem with his attitude is that a ton of people have all said they see the same thing. Many have written independently about it. My entire blog about plot coupons was written without prior knowledge of any of these articles. To say that we are just prejudiced and have no commonality of thought on this matter really is amazingly ridiculous. And that's what some around here are saying. I am saying that "traditional" D&D (you put in the word true yourself) has been a certain type of game. 4e edition was a completely different playstyle. All I'm arguing for is getting D&D back to it's roots and let it be what D&D has traditionally always been. If possible I'm for being additve and including as many playstyles as possible. If not possible then I'm for D&D sticking with an approach that has kept it on top of the sales market for over twenty years. If not possible though I'm assuming another game could be made (even by WOTC/Hasbro but by others too) that would cater specifically to the 4e crowd. [/QUOTE]
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