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With Respect to the Door and Expectations....The REAL Reason 5e Can't Unite the Base
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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 5989413" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>My bold and underlined. Ok, when people say "they don't need to be", I would need to know what "they don't need to be" means precisely. Is it;</p><p></p><p>1) if you choose, you can Orient, Decide and Act from Actor's Stance and always be consistent with both genre expectations and character profile?</p><p></p><p>or</p><p></p><p>2) <u>Regardless of the end you seek</u>, you can Orient, Decide and Act from <u>any Stance</u> and always be consistent with both genre expectations and character profile <u>and attain the end you seek</u>?</p><p></p><p>If it is 1, then yes, I agree. But that isn't really saying much as it is self-evident and hardly cuts to the core of the issue.</p><p></p><p>If it is 2, then no, I do not agree at all. And this is where I believe Hussar and pemerton are coming from. For instance, let us say the genre expectations are Grim and Gritty (the cold pragmatism of risk assessment and acting in accords with this analysis to minimize risk and maximize resource deployment). Let us say your character's profile is generally in line with these genre expectations (a shrew pragmatist). However;</p><p></p><p>Observe - Let us say that the fiction is exceedingly stagnant on the evening in question. The player thinks "blargh, I need to liven this up and make something happen." <u>This is the end he is seeking in the moment; livening things up and creating fiction that is dynamic rather than stagnant.</u> </p><p></p><p>Orient - To that end, he metagames (ruminating on how to make this happen). </p><p></p><p>Decide - He determines that the most guaranteed, expedient way to bring this end about it is to detach his own perspective from that of his character.</p><p></p><p>Act - He assume Author Stance and performs some rash (perhaps flamboyant a la the genre expectations of Swashbuckling) action that defies Genre Expectations and is anomalous with respect to his Character Profile.</p><p></p><p>For Fun and Dynamic Fiction Now.</p><p></p><p>I hope that makes sense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 5989413, member: 6696971"] My bold and underlined. Ok, when people say "they don't need to be", I would need to know what "they don't need to be" means precisely. Is it; 1) if you choose, you can Orient, Decide and Act from Actor's Stance and always be consistent with both genre expectations and character profile? or 2) [U]Regardless of the end you seek[/U], you can Orient, Decide and Act from [U]any Stance[/U] and always be consistent with both genre expectations and character profile [U]and attain the end you seek[/U]? If it is 1, then yes, I agree. But that isn't really saying much as it is self-evident and hardly cuts to the core of the issue. If it is 2, then no, I do not agree at all. And this is where I believe Hussar and pemerton are coming from. For instance, let us say the genre expectations are Grim and Gritty (the cold pragmatism of risk assessment and acting in accords with this analysis to minimize risk and maximize resource deployment). Let us say your character's profile is generally in line with these genre expectations (a shrew pragmatist). However; Observe - Let us say that the fiction is exceedingly stagnant on the evening in question. The player thinks "blargh, I need to liven this up and make something happen." [U]This is the end he is seeking in the moment; livening things up and creating fiction that is dynamic rather than stagnant.[/U] Orient - To that end, he metagames (ruminating on how to make this happen). Decide - He determines that the most guaranteed, expedient way to bring this end about it is to detach his own perspective from that of his character. Act - He assume Author Stance and performs some rash (perhaps flamboyant a la the genre expectations of Swashbuckling) action that defies Genre Expectations and is anomalous with respect to his Character Profile. For Fun and Dynamic Fiction Now. I hope that makes sense. [/QUOTE]
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