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With Respect to the Door and Expectations....The REAL Reason 5e Can't Unite the Base
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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 5993058" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>This is slightly overstepping given that the JFK Assassination is the most thoroughly investigated case in all the history of the world...with a mountain of evidence to confirm:</p><p></p><p>- Lone assassin</p><p>- Lee Harvey Oswald</p><p>- From 5th Floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building</p><p>- With 6.5 mm Carcano Rifle</p><p></p><p>And no credible evidence of any conspiracy...of any kind. Yet, extraordinarily, the majority of people in this world believe that it was a conspiracy. This mass delusion is predicated upon ignorance, outright lies, gross distortions, unphysical understanding of what happened (the "Magic Bullet" meme), the the perpetuation of incoherent cultural memes by way of the conspiracy peddlers. Pretty much all of these people have read a conspiracy book or seen JFK yet none of them have read The Warren Commissions report (not even the abridged version) nor do they know (or care) that the painfully incorrect finding, based on bad acoustic evidence, by the HSC was overturned by the NAS a short 3 years later.</p><p></p><p>While this is the most extraordinary (in breadth and "wrongness") case of "erroneous great collective consciousness event", the world is full of them...so invoking the fact that a lot of people believe it is not very moving. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You've used the term "plot coupon" multiple times and how they are averse to your gameplay. I would call non-hard-coded, open-ended Divinations (lacking strict mechanically-driven results) "plot coupons" if there ever was such a thing. The Caster plays the card "Tell me stuff I want to know to solve this plot arc/mystery/conflict" with an expectation of result, often bartering with the DM with either premeditated rational based on leveraging context (either loosely or legitimately) or post-hoc justification. This plays out either as a veto of the "plot coupon" or the administration of the "plot coupon."</p><p></p><p>I presume you're either</p><p></p><p>- ok with this form of "plot coupon" </p><p></p><p>or </p><p></p><p>- you do not feel it is a "plot coupon" because without any hard-coded mechanics or granular explanation of the "fiction of how magic works" you can rationalize the Cosmic Power of Omniscience as "DnD genre emulation...of DnD."</p><p></p><p>Could you explain your position on this and be as specific and as precise as you can, please?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 5993058, member: 6696971"] This is slightly overstepping given that the JFK Assassination is the most thoroughly investigated case in all the history of the world...with a mountain of evidence to confirm: - Lone assassin - Lee Harvey Oswald - From 5th Floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building - With 6.5 mm Carcano Rifle And no credible evidence of any conspiracy...of any kind. Yet, extraordinarily, the majority of people in this world believe that it was a conspiracy. This mass delusion is predicated upon ignorance, outright lies, gross distortions, unphysical understanding of what happened (the "Magic Bullet" meme), the the perpetuation of incoherent cultural memes by way of the conspiracy peddlers. Pretty much all of these people have read a conspiracy book or seen JFK yet none of them have read The Warren Commissions report (not even the abridged version) nor do they know (or care) that the painfully incorrect finding, based on bad acoustic evidence, by the HSC was overturned by the NAS a short 3 years later. While this is the most extraordinary (in breadth and "wrongness") case of "erroneous great collective consciousness event", the world is full of them...so invoking the fact that a lot of people believe it is not very moving. You've used the term "plot coupon" multiple times and how they are averse to your gameplay. I would call non-hard-coded, open-ended Divinations (lacking strict mechanically-driven results) "plot coupons" if there ever was such a thing. The Caster plays the card "Tell me stuff I want to know to solve this plot arc/mystery/conflict" with an expectation of result, often bartering with the DM with either premeditated rational based on leveraging context (either loosely or legitimately) or post-hoc justification. This plays out either as a veto of the "plot coupon" or the administration of the "plot coupon." I presume you're either - ok with this form of "plot coupon" or - you do not feel it is a "plot coupon" because without any hard-coded mechanics or granular explanation of the "fiction of how magic works" you can rationalize the Cosmic Power of Omniscience as "DnD genre emulation...of DnD." Could you explain your position on this and be as specific and as precise as you can, please? [/QUOTE]
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