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With Respect to the Door and Expectations....The REAL Reason 5e Can't Unite the Base
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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5993570" data-attributes="member: 54877"><p>@<u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6696971" target="_blank">Manbearcat</a></u> , my contention since the infamous "essay" was written was that the author went to a great deal of trouble to obscure the definitions and meanings, so that the inherent contradictions in presenting a rant as a "theory" would not be so obvious. This became very apparent early, when his disciples flooded message boards and refused to ever be pinned down on any thing, much less clarify--preferring to shriek and fling poo.</p><p> </p><p>It is this characteristic that caused me to say in that long discussion linked by pemerton that the concept of "disassociation" was in need of a new name and rescue from it's originators, as there is a kernal of a real idea hidden in all the monkey poo. The more thoughtful proponents on this board have attempted that rescue. I think they have been extremely handicapped by the off and on again visits to the zoo.</p><p> </p><p>It is not unlike the silliness that surrounds literary academic discussion of Joseph Campbell's "Hero's Journey"--which is a kernal of real insight (the same mythic idea recur frequently) hopelessly entangled in trying to make myth nothing but "the same ideas recur". In the process, it has to turn every "guy goes into a dark place" as "hero descends into the underworld" when maybe said guy was just stumbling around looking for the light switch so he could find his pants. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Such discussions rapidly reach the point where you realize that turning a guy looking for his pants into a descent into the underworld says more about the critic than it does the story.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5993570, member: 54877"] @[U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6696971"]Manbearcat[/URL][/U] , my contention since the infamous "essay" was written was that the author went to a great deal of trouble to obscure the definitions and meanings, so that the inherent contradictions in presenting a rant as a "theory" would not be so obvious. This became very apparent early, when his disciples flooded message boards and refused to ever be pinned down on any thing, much less clarify--preferring to shriek and fling poo. It is this characteristic that caused me to say in that long discussion linked by pemerton that the concept of "disassociation" was in need of a new name and rescue from it's originators, as there is a kernal of a real idea hidden in all the monkey poo. The more thoughtful proponents on this board have attempted that rescue. I think they have been extremely handicapped by the off and on again visits to the zoo. It is not unlike the silliness that surrounds literary academic discussion of Joseph Campbell's "Hero's Journey"--which is a kernal of real insight (the same mythic idea recur frequently) hopelessly entangled in trying to make myth nothing but "the same ideas recur". In the process, it has to turn every "guy goes into a dark place" as "hero descends into the underworld" when maybe said guy was just stumbling around looking for the light switch so he could find his pants. :) Such discussions rapidly reach the point where you realize that turning a guy looking for his pants into a descent into the underworld says more about the critic than it does the story. [/QUOTE]
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