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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5998401" data-attributes="member: 6668292"><p>Maybe I'm not. I don't think the backslapping going on by people is helping anything though, and I definitely believe I'm onto something with projecting accusations onto other people that haven't made them.</p><p></p><p>He does engage thoughtfully. I'm not trying to be unfair, but I do think he's projecting accusations onto people that haven't made them. I even felt it directed at me after my post, and I wasn't even trying to argue for one side.</p><p></p><p>I guess I'm just a little weary of seeing people get hit in the crossfire because someone said something. It's like having a friend who believes the same things you do, but not for the same reasons. Then, when there's a debate, he leaps in to the conversation, passion and eagerness in full throttle, and "helps you out" with a speech on why you're right. But, you don't agree with his reasoning, just his conclusion. In the meantime, everyone on the other side now thinks you agree with his reasoning, and that just hurts the dialogue, since your friend was insulting and dismissive.</p><p></p><p>That's what happens in these discussions, and it's happening on multiple fronts. I just wish it wouldn't.</p><p></p><p>I don't feel it's justified when it's directed at people that didn't make the claims, and some other poster who happens to agree with them did. That's the guy getting nailed in the crossfire I'm talking about.</p><p></p><p>But that's just the thing, I'm not making those claims. How many posters in this thread (on the side you're arguing against) are making those types of claims? One? The problem is, everyone starts to use buckshot rather than slugs, and attacks are hitting multiple posters rather than the source.</p><p></p><p>No worries about your writing style; not like you can really help it, and it's not like I hold it against you in any way.</p><p></p><p>At any rate, I've complimented Nagol (and LostSoul) for their productive contributions to this thread. I don't know how productive this thread would be without their contributions at this point. In my opinion, they're definitely adding more to this conversation than I am. Or any other posters.</p><p></p><p>Once we got past the rather unproductive "sim" discussion, and people didn't attack Nagol for his expressed views, and LostSoul seemed to have some sort of possible discovery, I felt things were getting better. And they probably are in this thread. But, I'm serious about the "aggressive defense" I talked about earlier. It's getting to the point where you seemingly can't agree with a premise without being accused of the same insults the poster made (like JA's "tactical skirmish game" remarks). And that's too bad, because dialogue could be had (and has been had, earlier, in the <em>long</em> dissociated mechanics thread that I participated in).</p><p></p><p>We'll see how things go. I stayed out of the thread for a long while because of how things were going. It's a little better now, but the hostility rating is slowly rising. I hope everyone cools down some. As always, play what you like <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 5998401, member: 6668292"] Maybe I'm not. I don't think the backslapping going on by people is helping anything though, and I definitely believe I'm onto something with projecting accusations onto other people that haven't made them. He does engage thoughtfully. I'm not trying to be unfair, but I do think he's projecting accusations onto people that haven't made them. I even felt it directed at me after my post, and I wasn't even trying to argue for one side. I guess I'm just a little weary of seeing people get hit in the crossfire because someone said something. It's like having a friend who believes the same things you do, but not for the same reasons. Then, when there's a debate, he leaps in to the conversation, passion and eagerness in full throttle, and "helps you out" with a speech on why you're right. But, you don't agree with his reasoning, just his conclusion. In the meantime, everyone on the other side now thinks you agree with his reasoning, and that just hurts the dialogue, since your friend was insulting and dismissive. That's what happens in these discussions, and it's happening on multiple fronts. I just wish it wouldn't. I don't feel it's justified when it's directed at people that didn't make the claims, and some other poster who happens to agree with them did. That's the guy getting nailed in the crossfire I'm talking about. But that's just the thing, I'm not making those claims. How many posters in this thread (on the side you're arguing against) are making those types of claims? One? The problem is, everyone starts to use buckshot rather than slugs, and attacks are hitting multiple posters rather than the source. No worries about your writing style; not like you can really help it, and it's not like I hold it against you in any way. At any rate, I've complimented Nagol (and LostSoul) for their productive contributions to this thread. I don't know how productive this thread would be without their contributions at this point. In my opinion, they're definitely adding more to this conversation than I am. Or any other posters. Once we got past the rather unproductive "sim" discussion, and people didn't attack Nagol for his expressed views, and LostSoul seemed to have some sort of possible discovery, I felt things were getting better. And they probably are in this thread. But, I'm serious about the "aggressive defense" I talked about earlier. It's getting to the point where you seemingly can't agree with a premise without being accused of the same insults the poster made (like JA's "tactical skirmish game" remarks). And that's too bad, because dialogue could be had (and has been had, earlier, in the [I]long[/I] dissociated mechanics thread that I participated in). We'll see how things go. I stayed out of the thread for a long while because of how things were going. It's a little better now, but the hostility rating is slowly rising. I hope everyone cools down some. As always, play what you like :) [/QUOTE]
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