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With Respect to the Door and Expectations....The REAL Reason 5e Can't Unite the Base
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<blockquote data-quote="chaochou" data-source="post: 5998795" data-attributes="member: 99817"><p>Nagol, I appreciate the lengthy post. I hope this one doesn't come across as snarky.</p><p></p><p>So to use your example of modelling Come and Get It in Champions: Are you telling me that:</p><p></p><p><strong>I cannot model Come and Get It in Champions in a way that I find adequately connected to the game world when I play with my friends in my group?</strong></p><p></p><p>I can't see how you possibly justify such an assertion. And without justifying that assertion you can not say that the Champions version of Come and Get It is objectively disocciated. It must be subjective.</p><p></p><p>Given that, using your example, which of these tells us something:</p><p></p><p>a) Champions Come and Get is disocciated</p><p>b) I couldn't figure out whether Champions Come and Get it should be charisma-based, or intelligence based or something else</p><p></p><p>What information is associated and disocciated telling me? It tells me nothing that your example - without the use of the words associated and disocciated - tells me.</p><p></p><p>What it does do is provide the ongoing basis for believing (incorrectly) that the mechanic is the problem, rather than the mismatch between your priorities and preferences (which you stated quite honestly - kudos) and the mechanic. </p><p></p><p>Since I don't share those preferences I don't have the problem.</p><p></p><p>Can you now see how the concept of disocciation goes nowhere?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="chaochou, post: 5998795, member: 99817"] Nagol, I appreciate the lengthy post. I hope this one doesn't come across as snarky. So to use your example of modelling Come and Get It in Champions: Are you telling me that: [B]I cannot model Come and Get It in Champions in a way that I find adequately connected to the game world when I play with my friends in my group?[/B] I can't see how you possibly justify such an assertion. And without justifying that assertion you can not say that the Champions version of Come and Get It is objectively disocciated. It must be subjective. Given that, using your example, which of these tells us something: a) Champions Come and Get is disocciated b) I couldn't figure out whether Champions Come and Get it should be charisma-based, or intelligence based or something else What information is associated and disocciated telling me? It tells me nothing that your example - without the use of the words associated and disocciated - tells me. What it does do is provide the ongoing basis for believing (incorrectly) that the mechanic is the problem, rather than the mismatch between your priorities and preferences (which you stated quite honestly - kudos) and the mechanic. Since I don't share those preferences I don't have the problem. Can you now see how the concept of disocciation goes nowhere? [/QUOTE]
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