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<blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 6004131" data-attributes="member: 3400"><p><strong>BIG</strong> difference here. I can try it multiple times in a fight. E and D moves, I can't. My PC's desires have nothing to do with it. The structure of the powers prevents it and not for consistent in-game reasons either.</p><p>But what's this about multiple attacks now? How does that enter into this? I'm starting to think your ranting is going all out of control. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Aside from knockdown and deadly strike <strong>not</strong> being the same move at all, I believe I can use them together. I'm not seeing anything saying I can't use one of my CS dice to apply knockdown while using another for deadly strike. I just can't go all out with deadly strike because I'm also trying to accomplish something else.</p><p>That said, I can try to trip again next round. So, yes, I can try a move multiple times in a fight. I don't see how you can argue you can't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We've only got 5 levels of character here. Multiple attacks may be in the offiing, we don't know yet. A bit premature to say you can't do it "no matter what." (And technically, that isn't even true thanks to cleave - although that is dependent on particular circumstances.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think we're seeing more people disagree with that than agreeing in this thread. You may be the one who is incorrect.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What makes you think 5e is going to get a free pass on overnight healing? Because people have been focusing on other topics? How about 5e get's a "let's wait and see" because it's not in final form yet? 4e? That's not being play tested any more. They made their decision and those of us critical of it made ours.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This makes the bad assumption they gave me exactly what I wanted with Essentials. Sure, there are classes that aren't based around AEDU, but there are still plenty of elements of 4e I consider warts. Besides, how long am I supposed to wait for WotC to give me the game I want? I was put off of 4e before the PH2 came out - I decided I wasn't going to wait that long when Paizo already had a game more to my liking in the pipeline. For that matter, WotC had already put out a game more to my liking (3e) than the one they replaced it with. So, why am I supposed to wait 2 years for a mid-edition revision of the game?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They fixed <strong>a</strong> problem, not <strong>the</strong> problem. And why would they want me as a customer? When they were producing RPGs I liked, I bought a lot of stuff from them. Isn't that enough of a reason?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="billd91, post: 6004131, member: 3400"] [b]BIG[/b] difference here. I can try it multiple times in a fight. E and D moves, I can't. My PC's desires have nothing to do with it. The structure of the powers prevents it and not for consistent in-game reasons either. But what's this about multiple attacks now? How does that enter into this? I'm starting to think your ranting is going all out of control. Aside from knockdown and deadly strike [b]not[/b] being the same move at all, I believe I can use them together. I'm not seeing anything saying I can't use one of my CS dice to apply knockdown while using another for deadly strike. I just can't go all out with deadly strike because I'm also trying to accomplish something else. That said, I can try to trip again next round. So, yes, I can try a move multiple times in a fight. I don't see how you can argue you can't. We've only got 5 levels of character here. Multiple attacks may be in the offiing, we don't know yet. A bit premature to say you can't do it "no matter what." (And technically, that isn't even true thanks to cleave - although that is dependent on particular circumstances.) I think we're seeing more people disagree with that than agreeing in this thread. You may be the one who is incorrect. What makes you think 5e is going to get a free pass on overnight healing? Because people have been focusing on other topics? How about 5e get's a "let's wait and see" because it's not in final form yet? 4e? That's not being play tested any more. They made their decision and those of us critical of it made ours. This makes the bad assumption they gave me exactly what I wanted with Essentials. Sure, there are classes that aren't based around AEDU, but there are still plenty of elements of 4e I consider warts. Besides, how long am I supposed to wait for WotC to give me the game I want? I was put off of 4e before the PH2 came out - I decided I wasn't going to wait that long when Paizo already had a game more to my liking in the pipeline. For that matter, WotC had already put out a game more to my liking (3e) than the one they replaced it with. So, why am I supposed to wait 2 years for a mid-edition revision of the game? They fixed [b]a[/b] problem, not [b]the[/b] problem. And why would they want me as a customer? When they were producing RPGs I liked, I bought a lot of stuff from them. Isn't that enough of a reason? [/QUOTE]
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