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<blockquote data-quote="boar" data-source="post: 5038202" data-attributes="member: 81932"><p>Having played a 20 INT, 14 WIS staff wizard with scorching burst, cloud of daggers, and thunderwave, I can tell you that the build is underwhelming for a number of reasons:</p><p> </p><p>1) The staff interrupt is great, and it sucks not having it.</p><p> </p><p>2) It's great that CoD auto-kills minions, but if you're only targeting a single minion, either the battle is already over or you're targeting the wrong thing. Also, the 10 range is surprisingly limiting -- there were tons of instances where I'd have loved the higher range of Magic Missile.</p><p> </p><p>3) That extra square of push with Thunderwave, which I thought would be really sexy, wasn't.</p><p> </p><p>Based on that experience, here's what I would do now if I had to play a Wizard again:</p><p> </p><p>20 INT</p><p>13 CON</p><p>13 WIS (if you care about pushing with Thunderwave)</p><p> </p><p>-- or --</p><p> </p><p>20 INT</p><p>14 CON</p><p>11 WIS (if you don't)</p><p> </p><p>At-Will:</p><p>Thunderwave</p><p>Scorching Burst</p><p>Magic Missile</p><p> </p><p>Encounter:</p><p>Force Orb</p><p>Fire Shroud</p><p> </p><p>Utility:</p><p>Shield</p><p>Whatever</p><p> </p><p>Daily:</p><p>Flaming Sphere</p><p>Whatever</p><p> </p><p>Feats:</p><p>Leather Armor</p><p>Weapon Focus: Staff</p><p>Toughness</p><p>Weapon Expertise (at level 4)</p><p> </p><p>Items:</p><p>Bracers of the Perfect Shot (+2 damage with Magic Missile)</p><p>Your pick of leather armor, neck slot, and staff (in the PHB they all suck, so do whatever)</p><p> </p><p>Your AC is high, your single-target damage is way up there, and your hitpoints are passable. Boost INT and CON with your stat bumps and you'll be a rockin' addition to the party.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="boar, post: 5038202, member: 81932"] Having played a 20 INT, 14 WIS staff wizard with scorching burst, cloud of daggers, and thunderwave, I can tell you that the build is underwhelming for a number of reasons: 1) The staff interrupt is great, and it sucks not having it. 2) It's great that CoD auto-kills minions, but if you're only targeting a single minion, either the battle is already over or you're targeting the wrong thing. Also, the 10 range is surprisingly limiting -- there were tons of instances where I'd have loved the higher range of Magic Missile. 3) That extra square of push with Thunderwave, which I thought would be really sexy, wasn't. Based on that experience, here's what I would do now if I had to play a Wizard again: 20 INT 13 CON 13 WIS (if you care about pushing with Thunderwave) -- or -- 20 INT 14 CON 11 WIS (if you don't) At-Will: Thunderwave Scorching Burst Magic Missile Encounter: Force Orb Fire Shroud Utility: Shield Whatever Daily: Flaming Sphere Whatever Feats: Leather Armor Weapon Focus: Staff Toughness Weapon Expertise (at level 4) Items: Bracers of the Perfect Shot (+2 damage with Magic Missile) Your pick of leather armor, neck slot, and staff (in the PHB they all suck, so do whatever) Your AC is high, your single-target damage is way up there, and your hitpoints are passable. Boost INT and CON with your stat bumps and you'll be a rockin' addition to the party. [/QUOTE]
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