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<blockquote data-quote="MadLordOfMilk" data-source="post: 5048045" data-attributes="member: 77691"><p>Regarding orb wizard: the only real sacrifice to get "unsaveable" effects in epic with just PHB was starting with 18 wis, which meant 16 int instead of an average 18. As an elf, you'd also have Elven Accuracy to slightly make up for this. 18 wis, boosted every opportunity, rises to a +8 by the end of epic. Throw in demigod and up it to a +9. Then throw in spell focus, and you just gave -11 to saves, making it unsaveable even on a 20 (unless nat20 always saves by your rules, in which case you don't even need 18wis).</p><p></p><p>The items just meant you could do it a lot earlier, and made it easier to get the extra 5 to counter the +5 bonus solos got.</p><p></p><p>I keep hearing this, yet despite having actually built several warlords, the only noteworthy use of basic attacks have all been basic melees in my experience. Could you give an example where Magic Missile could be used?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MadLordOfMilk, post: 5048045, member: 77691"] Regarding orb wizard: the only real sacrifice to get "unsaveable" effects in epic with just PHB was starting with 18 wis, which meant 16 int instead of an average 18. As an elf, you'd also have Elven Accuracy to slightly make up for this. 18 wis, boosted every opportunity, rises to a +8 by the end of epic. Throw in demigod and up it to a +9. Then throw in spell focus, and you just gave -11 to saves, making it unsaveable even on a 20 (unless nat20 always saves by your rules, in which case you don't even need 18wis). The items just meant you could do it a lot earlier, and made it easier to get the extra 5 to counter the +5 bonus solos got. I keep hearing this, yet despite having actually built several warlords, the only noteworthy use of basic attacks have all been basic melees in my experience. Could you give an example where Magic Missile could be used? [/QUOTE]
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