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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9123860" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>To see thru an illusion (now literally), the monster needs to make an Investigation check against the DC.</p><p></p><p>What is never clear to me: when does a monster "suspect" something is an illusion, in order to invest the action to do this?</p><p></p><p>Maybe it is better if viewers get a saving throw? Fail the save, then theres no suspicion. Win the save, then the monster suspects it might be an illusion.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, if the illusion is cast in front of them, perhaps they "win" the save and automatically "suspect" its an illusion. But still need to spend the action to try see thru it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, Im unsure that Intelligence (Investigation) is always the best ability check to see thru an illusion. For example, if the illusion is impersonating someone, then a Wisdom (Insight) check seems appropriate to determine something is off.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree, the rules for illusion magic needs tightening. The rules need to be flexible and versatile, but the player − and the DM − need to have a clear idea about how to handle an illusion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Rules-As-Intended are likely, no. But it is a good question, to help clarify what illusions can do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly.</p><p></p><p>Heh, and the designers need to make sure any new rules dont ruin illusion for the players. We need clarity, not nerfs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9123860, member: 58172"] To see thru an illusion (now literally), the monster needs to make an Investigation check against the DC. What is never clear to me: when does a monster "suspect" something is an illusion, in order to invest the action to do this? Maybe it is better if viewers get a saving throw? Fail the save, then theres no suspicion. Win the save, then the monster suspects it might be an illusion. Meanwhile, if the illusion is cast in front of them, perhaps they "win" the save and automatically "suspect" its an illusion. But still need to spend the action to try see thru it. Also, Im unsure that Intelligence (Investigation) is always the best ability check to see thru an illusion. For example, if the illusion is impersonating someone, then a Wisdom (Insight) check seems appropriate to determine something is off. I agree, the rules for illusion magic needs tightening. The rules need to be flexible and versatile, but the player − and the DM − need to have a clear idea about how to handle an illusion. Rules-As-Intended are likely, no. But it is a good question, to help clarify what illusions can do. Exactly. Heh, and the designers need to make sure any new rules dont ruin illusion for the players. We need clarity, not nerfs. [/QUOTE]
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